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Rule 1) You can't help anybody else if you're dead. You can't help the innocent neighbor if he's dead, either. 
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Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Isn't self preservation the natural human condition?
Tragic? Of course. Understandable? Yes. Nope some of these fools think we should let the bad guys shoot atbusbfirst then ask them if its ok to return fire
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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He could have helped himself,considering normal circumstances. If not normal circumstances, tragedies happen with no real fault.
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I'm not LEO baiting, but more and more it seems that...
Protect = protect my own ass first
Serve = Serve the self-serving government animal first
This has become the prevalent perception, for whatever reason. Prevalent perception in some circles, no doubt. But perception ain't always reality. Just saying. Nope, not always for sure. I have to say that in my lifetime I've been seeing a lot more innocent people shot by LE. Maybe we're seeing more due to the internet and a much smaller world, where word about anything/everything gets out immediately, everywhere. That could lead to the perception.
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Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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I agree but to the failed cadets and beanie wienies here that jist isnt possible. Hollywood says so
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Cops respond to a burglary across the street and the old guy responds too...carrying his pistol. Word is, he refused to drop it and waved it around with two rookie cops drawn down on him.
The article does not say that........where did you get that info? Is it fact or are you you stating a possible scenario? MM
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Isn't self preservation the natural human condition?
Tragic? Of course. Understandable? Yes. Nope some of these fools think we should let the bad guys shoot atbusbfirst then ask them if its ok to return fire Like this 72 year old street thug? 
Hunt with Class and Classics
Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Judging from the confines of a protected environment is the normal human condition, as well.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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That wasn't an article, that was a blog.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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What the cops need to learn to do is back away and figure things out -not start shooting . Except its OUR job to be there not his, he should have put his weapon down. He placed himself in a bad situation. Its a trajic trajic situation all around for ALL concerned. But until YOU have walked in our ahoes the best thing to do is STFU By that reasoning, YOU have no right to make an observation that the donuts are greasy unless you have cooked in a donut shop. And cops should only be tried by a jury made up of cops. THAT ridiculous assertion- that the taxpaying citizens have no right to criticize cops - loses LE more support on this forum than any other one thing. The rookie cops got scared and shot the old man. They had to be STUPID before they could be scared enough to start shooting. Our troops, involved in a war, are held to higher standard than THAT.
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Isn't self preservation the natural human condition?
Tragic? Of course. Understandable? Yes. Only if we assume that the general public has the same right to shoot the police.. 30 years ago 73 year old guys didn't get gunned down by the police and police weren't being shot at by 73 year old armed guys just checking stuff out.
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So cops can shoot anyone with a firearm? Hell, I've been in combat zones with more strict ROE.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson
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Isn't self preservation the natural human condition?
Tragic? Of course. Understandable? Yes. Nope some of these fools think we should let the bad guys shoot atbusbfirst then ask them if its ok to return fire Like this 72 year old street thug? No. I feel terrible for that mannand his family. As well as those officers I am talkingbdirectlybabout persons here such as TRH and others who i seriously doubt have ever had tonpoint a loaded weapon at another human being, yet think taking a life is some decision as easy as deciding what to put in your coffee. The first time i had to draw on a person i was left with a deep gut wrenching sick feeling afterwards. I couldnt imagine and hope to hell i never have to experience the aftermath of actually shooting someone. But hey. The campfire commandos inbthis thread seem to think its a walk in the park and all cops wanna do is shoot people
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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So cops can shoot anyone with a firearm? Hell, I've been in combat zones with more strict ROE. If someone accosts you and is holding a firearm and you draw and tell them to drop it and they dont what will YOU do
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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I think many believe LE is too quick to shoot. I wonder this myself a lot anymore.
I doubt that the old man accosted anyone. He might not hear well or got confused. I know at 66 my reactions to things like this are not nearly as quick as when I was in my 20's/30's.
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Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Hand them a Tootsie Roll. Nobody can resist a Tootsie Roll and then we would be friends forever.
The first time I shot myself in the head...
Meniere's Sucks Big Time!!!
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Also, I feel awfully bad for these young men. It will be with them forever and might ruin lives...theirs and those of the people who are close to them.
It's sad for everyone...tragic.
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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So cops can shoot anyone with a firearm? Hell, I've been in combat zones with more strict ROE. If someone accosts you and is holding a firearm and you draw and tell them to drop it and they dont what will YOU do So he "Accosted" them now..? I can see 95% of the folks on this forum doing exactly what this old man did, being neighborly. More than likely, he was trying to tell the cops he lived in the house behind the driveway in which he was standing when the cops felt "threatened" and ended his life.
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That wasn't an article, that was a blog. OK, but nonetheless, where did LT get his info? From the officers? Witness report? Conjecture? I would surely not expect the officers to say anything less as there would have to be some justification......would you? MM
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I can see 95% of the folks on this forum doing exactly what this old man did
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Really? I see less than one-half of one percent doing such a thing.
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