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Either 264 Win Mag or 7mm Weatherby Mag.
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264/300 WinMag wildcat
Remember, if it ain't FAST, I ain't interested! <G>
That one looks interesting.
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I do... But I'm only pushing them a measly 3,050 via a 24" 7 Rem.....
Tanner Tanner you are so deprived!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Mark never had one but thinking 3500 fps+ might be a stretch for 140's in a 6.5-300 Win Mag. I can see you outrunning a 264 with that case but not by enough to hit 3500.
I do know for sure that in a 7mm Dakota you will do 3550 with a 120 TTSX with RL22 because that's what I got in mine.Barrel was 24". A 7mm LRM is pretty much the same thing. Another thought would be to just wait and see what Nosler's "need" offering will be.
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.284 120 TTSX at 3500 looks a lot like a .277 110 TTSX at 3,400.
Look for the highest BC at the fastest velocity and the rest of the schit will work itself out.....
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Lazy way out could be to buy a Sendero SFII in 7mm Ultra Mag. its not 3500fps but the 162 A-Max at 3300fps should work nicely.
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Anyone know what the BC is on the Barnes 127gr LRX bullet? If it is in the over .500 range and especially in the close to 600 mark then that one out of a 6.5/300 WinMag is a strong contender.
I still love the "Lights out, right NOW!" or DRT feature of mega high impact velocities, but sure can see how the BC is important to the equation. I just snagged some 115gr Barnes TTSX 25 calibers, I am needing to find out the BC on those as well. Should be considerably higher than the 100 TTSX.
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Lazy way out could be to buy a Sendero SFII in 7mm Ultra Mag. its not 3500fps but the 162 A-Max at 3300fps should work nicely. I do not allow any Model 700's or any other push feed bolt guns into my safe. And the 7mm Mashburn Super was close enough - speed wise - to make it preferable to the RUM in my book. Also, the last RUM I had, a 300, was concussion city at the muzzle and rang my eardums but good every time I fired it. It was for the noise reason that I sold my awesome model 70 classic 300 RUM. And no it did not have one of those infernal, damnable muzzle breaks. I do not use Muzzle brakes ever, at all. Them and Model 700's are just non starters for me. Thanks for the input, though. IF a guy was going to build a 1,000 yard deer blaster, and could shoot from a bench with double muffed ears, a custom build or even that Sendero in 7RUM would be a pretty darned great choice.
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MidwayUSA lists BCs as follows:
127/6.5 LRX = .468
120/6.5 TTSX = .443
I have never seen nor heard of a 115 gr/257 cal TTSX? MidwayUSA doesn't list em; just the TSX which = .429. The 100 gr/257 cal TTSX = .357.
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EFW,
I had not heard of the TIPPED TSX 115's either until I bought these. And the Tipped version of the 100gr Barnes is far from a ping pong ball, having a better BC than many or most of the long for caliber .224 bullets touted so highly by the users of those slugs.
With the intended bullet (if I stay in 25 caliber) perhaps being a 115gr slug, the 25 might need to be the 300 WinMag necked down as well to get that large, long bullet up to my minimum needed(by me) speeds.
The 127 LRX has some potential, I will have to run some numbers after a bit.
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...Tipped version of the 100gr Barnes is far from a ping pong ball, having a better BC than many or most of the long for caliber .224 bullets touted so highly by the users of those slugs.
Very good point! <pun intended> Seems to me you're gonna have to go 6.5 or 7 using the parameters you've laid out for yourself.
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Barnes web-site does not even list the 25 cal. 115 ttsx. So can' help you out with the b.c. of that one.
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Barnes web-site does not even list the 25 cal. 115 ttsx. So can' help you out with the b.c. of that one. Thanks, I had checked there. Time for an e-mail to Jessica Brooks or Ty Harrington at Barnes.
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...Tipped version of the 100gr Barnes is far from a ping pong ball, having a better BC than many or most of the long for caliber .224 bullets touted so highly by the users of those slugs.
Very good point! <pun intended> Seems to me you're gonna have to go 6.5 or 7 using the parameters you've laid out for yourself. Yep, kinda what I have been thinking. The trouble is, how do we combine a high BC bullet, WITH really high starting speeds, and also comfortable recoil? Compromises must be made, and whatever is picked will lean strong or weak on one point or another. Add in some level of efficiency and some barrel life to the equation and it gets pretty difficult. Whish is exactly why I started this thread. I am softening some on my need for speed (used to not care about a cartridge that was not close to the 4,000 mark and now I am talking myself down to living with maybe 3500fps as a new minimum. I think the fast twist 6.5/300 WinMag wildcat is leading in my mind right now.
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500
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I am softening some on my need for speed (used to not care about a cartridge that was not close to the 4,000 mark and now I am talking myself down to living with maybe 3500fps as a new minimum. Sheesh Mark at this rate you'll be pickin up a trapdoor 45/70 in no time !
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I think the answer to all of this is an elevation turret.
Tanner
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safariman,
If it has to be a belted magnum, I would choose the .257 Weatherby, as I did nearly 30 years ago. A better caliber, with 100 gr. bullets pushed to 3700 fps, is hard to imagine.
My Wby MkV, with its 26" barrel, has accounted for many mulies, as well as other game species, some at very long ranges.
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Vanilla 300WM will push a 150 TTSX 3,400fps. You're going around your [bleep] to get to your elbow. Energy at 500 is the same.
BC is BC and the difference between .468 and .420 is hardly worth building a rig around.
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safariman,
If it has to be a belted magnum, I would choose the .257 Weatherby, as I did nearly 30 years ago. A better caliber, with 100 gr. bullets pushed to 3700 fps, is hard to imagine.
My Wby MkV, with its 26" barrel, has accounted for many mulies, as well as other game species, some at very long ranges. Almost dupes 270/110TTSX/3400........again
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