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"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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By the way, I know Elk has a CZ 7x57. Anyone shoot a Zasty in that caliber?
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To the OP:
There's not that much difference between the two so far as external ballistics. I like the 7mm-08 a lot, but one strike against it for me is that the powders that made it run fastest for me required pretty heavily compressed loads that were a pain to work with. 7x57 ... not so much.
There are quite a few newer powders available like RL17 that didn't exist back then so the situation may have changed some.
I would make the choice between the two based on whether I wanted a long action or a short action. When I want more velocity, I do not look at small incremental gains, I grab for something with a LARGE increase, 200-300 fps or more with the same bullet weight.
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I keep reading where, when handloaded with the same bullet and components, the 7x57 will outperform the 7-08. Assuming a modern rifle (M70, M700, M77, MRC1999, etc.) and a 140-150 gr. bullet, identical barrel lengths, etc., what has been y'all's experience? Or all-y'all's if you're from the Deep South?
I'm just curious since even some of the "modern rifle" data I've seen for the 7x57 doesn't seem to be able to touch the 7-08. The 7x57 has the disadvantage of being the chambering for old rifles which by modern standard now have questionable metallurgy. So loading data for the 7x57 is geared toward Model 1893 Mausers and equally ancient Remington Rolling Block rifles. This old cartridge has been used on everything from humans to Elephants. It's respected for, arguably, being the original modern smokeless hunting cartridge. However if you want better factory ballistics by all means go buy a 7mm-08
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Yes,it's the same as their printed manual. Yep, that's good. Thanks. I'll print some out and make some comparisons. Tough to do on this phone. Elk: I printed both 7x57 and 7-08 load data, 140-175 gr loads, and the 7x57 is loaded consistently and considerably slower than the 7-08. So it looks like Nosler is loading them down as well. Mike Well yeah,the 7/08 data uses a 26" barrel,while the 7x57 data uses a 22" barrel. Subtract 4" from the 7/08 barrel and 25 fps per inch.
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Sat in a stand and watched one raccoon and five turkey eat every kernel of corn that was scattered for pigs. The "wary Osceola turkey" my foot. I laugh every time I read an outdoor writer say that. I wasn't wearing a lick of camo, and I still could have killed these with a BB gun. Needless to say I didn't get to lob an obsolete round at a pig.
So I'll try again tomorrow. Sat in a different stand this evening. About 5:15 eight or nine little pigs came in, all in about the 40 pound range. I picked a nice little sow and put a standard 139 grain Prvi just low and behind the ear. The pigs scattered but her brother figured that without his sister there'd be more corn for him. I did the same thing for him that I did for his sister. Those little buggers are going to eat just fine. Oh, and that obsolete old cartridge did just fine as well.
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Yes,it's the same as their printed manual. Yep, that's good. Thanks. I'll print some out and make some comparisons. Tough to do on this phone. Elk: I printed both 7x57 and 7-08 load data, 140-175 gr loads, and the 7x57 is loaded consistently and considerably slower than the 7-08. So it looks like Nosler is loading them down as well. Mike Well yeah,the 7/08 data uses a 26" barrel,while the 7x57 data uses a 22" barrel. Subtract 4" from the 7/08 barrel and 25 fps per inch. Good point. I didn't notice that.
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However if you want better factory ballistics by all means go buy a 7mm-08
I have two 7x57s and am thinking about a third. Not that this won't start an argument, but I have a .260 for anything I'd need a 7-08 for. Ingwe and Elk, break out the popcorn!
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Two 7mm Mauser and you're thinking about a third,well that means I'll be one 7mm Mauser behind you. Pretty sure Ingwe will be along here soon and suggest I re-barrel one of my .270's to a .275 Rigby.
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7x57 is a Commie cartridge.
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However if you want better factory ballistics by all means go buy a 7mm-08
I have two 7x57s and am thinking about a third. Not that this won't start an argument, but I have a .260 for anything I'd need a 7-08 for. Ingwe and Elk, break out the popcorn! I own a Model 70 PF featherweight in 7x57. I won't trade it for a 7mm-08 because I like what I have. And it shoots 140 grain and 175 grain bullets equally well. Can't say that about a short action 7mm-08 !
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Two 7mm Mauser and you're thinking about a third,well that means I'll be one 7mm Mauser behind you. Pretty sure Ingwe will be along here soon and suggest I re-barrel one of my .270's to a .275 Rigby. I'll bet we'd get more respect if we called it a .275 Rigby. Yeah, I'm thinking my third might be a Zasty. I'll put a Burris Euro Illuminated on it with a German 4 reticle. I'll make it a dedicated boar gun. Of course, since about the only thing I hunt is boar, they're all more or less dedicated boar guns.
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If you own a .270, you get no respect�.
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So I am the Rodney Dangerfield of the 24hcf. GRINS
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Just counted them: 10 little piggies.
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You live in the Southern Hemisphere?
I am..........disturbed.
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Whoever suggested a -08 for a short action, x57 for a medium length and .280 for a long action was spot on IMHO.
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You live in the Southern Hemisphere? No, why?
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If you own a .270, you get no respect�. Nay...I really like the 270 Winchester! But the 7x57 was it's inspiration. Honestly the 270 is the practical choice over owning a 7x57. But I'm a rifle loony. So being practical isn't any issue for me.
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Inggway pronounced the 7x57 gtg in 1893. It still applies even after all these years. Oh and my M70 FWT was wrestled out of my hands by the Mrs. Had two SC built rods. Dad has one and she has the other. They have no shame.
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