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Pretty is as pretty does. If it shoots I could care less what the inside of the stock looks like
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But that does look a little rough...
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Damn that is a little concerning to me. I have a 7mm-08 on order. I agree if it shoots great who cares but still, that is fugly.
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It's certainly been bedded. If I remember the reports correctly a couple others in 308 were a few ounces heavier. Looking forward to the range report. Congrats, I bet it's a shooter.
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Looks to be a handy package chambered in a great cartridge, stock does seem pretty rough though!
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I've run a file over a few spots on the stock.. They are bedded to the individual barrel/action, and numbered. The sharpie touch-up corresponds to the ink smeared on the barrel and action..
All in all, you have to say, the inletting looks like a bag of smashed azzholes.
120 ttsx's, 140 AB's, varget and IMR4350 are next.. Going to need some good results.
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I call first dibs....grin
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It is pretty rough looking.
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If it shoots in the end who cares, but I'd be a little upset spending that kind of money and getting that kind of attention to detail.
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I call first dibs....grin You're down!
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That's flat out piss poor. I'd be firing the retard that did that bedding job.
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Wait a second, it's not a 270, nevermind....
Slight funk on the bedding(lug looks okay?). Bet it shoots like a wild Indian...
I smell shoota!
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Metal work looks tight.. Do these people think people don't take rifle's apart?
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Dude, I do like the green paint and fence post pic!
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I bet it will shoot great.
But.....that bedding job is pretty ghetto.
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Wait a second, it's not a 270, nevermind....
Slight funk on the bedding(lug looks okay?). Bet it shoots like a wild Indian...
I smell shoota! 30-06 is in the rack over there.. Mebbe I should trade across and then you can have a real rifle when I cough it up.
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How's it feel when you cycle the bolt?
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Like a gravel road..
Thanks for asking!
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How is the finish? Those I've looked at had a spray paint look to 'em.
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You're a tolerant, and even tempered man Rancho! Schit, some guys go ballistic over a $100 Vortex scope.
These are full-length bedded? How's the channel look?
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Pffffttttt......nothing that can't be prettied up. It outta shoot muy bueno Crazy Ranch.  P.S. The front ring thingee is backwards. 
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Parkerized CM action, blasted SS barrel? Metalwork does look good.. As pointed out, action cycles rough.
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Pffffttttt......nothing that can't be prettied up. It outta shoot muy bueno Crazy Ranch. P.S. The front ring thingee is backwards. Bwaaahaaa!! I might flip it around, I'll see how it shoots first. Gives me something to blame crappy groups on.
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It will shoot and smooth up...
Look on the bright side; Melvin will make it a FULA for $650. New barrel with your choice of chambering, new bedding and a new paint job on the stock. For a tad more he'll install the NULA trigger and coat the action.
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You're a tolerant, and even tempered man Rancho! Schit, some guys go ballistic over a $100 Vortex scope.
These are full-length bedded? How's the channel look?
Jason Looks great.. Stock and barrel/action have matching numbers.. The black sharpie touch up really helps. You boys know I invented that, right?
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Thanks for posting pics. Hope it shoots well.
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Hope it shoots well! About the same weight as a Montana!
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It will shoot and smooth up...
Look on the bright side; Melvin will make it a FULA for $650. New barrel with your choice of chambering, new bedding and a new paint job on the stock. For a tad more he'll install the NULA trigger and coat the action. A FULA and his money are soon parted. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Dude, I do like the green paint and fence post pic!
6lb scoped is sweet. I to like the green paint better than the gray on my two.
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Send those pictures to Melvin, I bet he'd be on the phone chewing some A$$!!!
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Weren't the 20b's 'sposed to be closer to 4 3/4lbs?
Rough @ssed stock, but it will likely bughole....
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The bedding job looks like it was done by a cross-eyed baboon but as other have said I bet it shoots great.
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Wait a second, it's not a 270, nevermind....
Slight funk on the bedding(lug looks okay?). Bet it shoots like a wild Indian...
I smell shoota! Did Sam give up his seat? If so I'm calling dibs, if not I'm calling second. I'm waiting on a non-shooter to go FULA .243 fast twist with. Pretty bedding is one of the last requirements for me...bedding matched to the action/barrel that leads to a shooter trumps the looks.
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Hope she shoots ok Rancho. Betting she will.
Kinda speechless on the inletting. Melvin needs to see those pics, I'm sure that's not something he would want crawling out of the factory.
Happens when demand exceeds production capacity.
Attention to detail gets tossed, but doesn't mean it won't shoot like a house a fire.
I've seen worse. If u decide to ditch it, let me know.
That's too much gun for Sam Olson anyway.
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If its any consolation, the two Forbe clones I had from Maine looked the same way.
Its as if the action literally pulls some of the bedding material away when they are separated. Even though they both shot very well, it looked sloppy. ditto on the bolt travel.
I hope they aren't sacrificing quality to satisfy consumer demand.
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JCMCUBIC, I hereby relinquish calling first dibs yesterday. Must have been drunk.....grin
That's too much gun for Sam Olson anyway.
Upon further consideration you are in fact correct.
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Can't jump right into these Sam. It would be like giving a baby a race car. Keep at it with the Red Ryder, you've got plenty of time. 
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the bedding works ...........my nula rifles are better looking than that one but they are not what you guys are use to when looking at a mcmillan stock bedded with all the cnc cuts to it
I have rifles bedded by Melvin and Mark Bansner and both lack appeal but shoot lights out
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I'm not going to send it back until I shoot it..
Mebbe they've hired some lightweights. I've done prettier jobs after 8 Bent Nails.
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JCMCUBIC, I hereby relinquish calling first dibs yesterday. Must have been drunk.....grin
That's too much gun for Sam Olson anyway.
Upon further consideration you are in fact correct. Jeez, Sam.. You might want to see how it shoots before you give up dibs.
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Kinda speechless on the inletting. Melvin needs to see those pics, I'm sure that's not something he would want crawling out of the factory.
I've seen a few Forbes, and they all looked like that. It's a factory rifle, that happens to have, quite possibly, the best made fiberglass stock on the market (though I'm personally not a fan of the shape). Like any factory rifle, I think a certain amount of "cleaning up" should be expected. If all the ills of this rifle were addressed at the factory, the price point would most certainly rise. Were I to own one, I'd rather just clean it up myself than pay for it.
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For the coin you paid that looks unacceptable. I hope it shoots but that is still pretty pathetic.
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I've run a file over a few spots on the stock.. They are bedded to the individual barrel/action, and numbered. The sharpie touch-up corresponds to the ink smeared on the barrel and action..
All in all, you have to say, the inletting looks like a bag of smashed azzholes.
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You should be out shooting it! Fugyeah! Sweet day today, but there's a lacrosse tourny. Going to shoot tomorrow.
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Kinda speechless on the inletting. Melvin needs to see those pics, I'm sure that's not something he would want crawling out of the factory.
I've seen a few Forbes, and they all looked like that. It's a factory rifle, that happens to have, quite possibly, the best made fiberglass stock on the market (though I'm personally not a fan of the shape). Like any factory rifle, I think a certain amount of "cleaning up" should be expected. If all the ills of this rifle were addressed at the factory, the price point would most certainly rise. Were I to own one, I'd rather just clean it up myself than pay for it. Brad when you say best do you mean strongest?
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Jesus said hell yeah, go shooting!
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Weren't the 20b's 'sposed to be closer to 4 3/4lbs?
Rough @ssed stock, but it will likely bughole.... I haven't seen a Forbes yet that made weight. They seem like nice rifles, but there's no excuse for advertising a weight (especially in a flyweight rifle) that misses the mark as badly as Forbes does.
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Weren't the 20b's 'sposed to be closer to 4 3/4lbs?
Rough @ssed stock, but it will likely bughole.... I haven't seen a Forbes yet that made weight. They seem like nice rifles, but there's no excuse for advertising a weight (especially in a flyweight rifle) that misses the mark as badly as Forbes does. Maybe that was the weight before bedding.
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Weren't the 20b's 'sposed to be closer to 4 3/4lbs?
Rough @ssed stock, but it will likely bughole.... I haven't seen a Forbes yet that made weight. They seem like nice rifles, but there's no excuse for advertising a weight (especially in a flyweight rifle) that misses the mark as badly as Forbes does. Maybe that was the weight before bedding. Dunno. Forbes claimed the weights, so I assumed that was for the finished product, which would include the bedding being done at the factory. I don't have any issue with the actual weight of Forbes rifles, but I take exception to the claims being so much lighter (relatively speaking, of course).
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Kinda speechless on the inletting. Melvin needs to see those pics, I'm sure that's not something he would want crawling out of the factory.
I've seen a few Forbes, and they all looked like that. It's a factory rifle, that happens to have, quite possibly, the best made fiberglass stock on the market (though I'm personally not a fan of the shape). Like any factory rifle, I think a certain amount of "cleaning up" should be expected. If all the ills of this rifle were addressed at the factory, the price point would most certainly rise. Were I to own one, I'd rather just clean it up myself than pay for it. Brad when you say best do you mean strongest? Yes, when I said "best made" I meant strongest, not best shaped, etc. As to the nitpicking about the stock's shortcomings, obviously the Kimber MT stock comes to the owner in far prettier shape... BUT the stocks are made, bedded, finished and painted in Costa Rica in order to maintain the Kimbers price point. The Forbes isn't made in Costa Rica, and US wages being what they are, it's not surprising the stock lacks the attention to detail the Kimber has. Looks like it was bedded by a forum member, based on some of the threads I've seen  Undoubtedly Rancho is a handy dude and can "polish the turd" (said tongue in cheek). The Forbes isn't my cup of tea in any way, but it's obviously a nice rifle!
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Weren't the 20b's 'sposed to be closer to 4 3/4lbs?
Rough @ssed stock, but it will likely bughole.... I haven't seen a Forbes yet that made weight. They seem like nice rifles, but there's no excuse for advertising a weight (especially in a flyweight rifle) that misses the mark as badly as Forbes does. Maybe that was the weight before bedding. Dunno. Forbes claimed the weights, so I assumed that was for the finished product, which would include the bedding being done at the factory. I don't have any issue with the actual weight of Forbes rifles, but I take exception to the claims being so much lighter (relatively speaking, of course). I agree completely about the weight. I was attempting a joke about the bedding.
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I agree completely about the weight. I was attempting a joke about the bedding. See what I get for not paying attention. 
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I think I'd brush on some Devcon with an acid brush to smooth things out in the mag well etc, and cycle the bolt a few hundred times while watching TV, and then hit the range.
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The bedding in my 4 NULA's is perfect as smooth as glass. the actions tend to be a bit gritty at first. They are tight fitting and anodized, so they take a little while and a few rounds to settle in. They do really smooth out especially the long actions. A little moly lube on the cocking cam is never a bad idea.
I have no doubt that the 24's will really shoot.
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Appreciate the info on Factory stocks Brad, I've only owned about 100 of them...
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Range report..
First round:
140 PH over 45 grs. IMR 4350
Necked up .260 rem brass, annealed, FLS..
Failed to eject brass.
Knock it out with old crank's cleaning rod..
Second round: Failed to eject brass.
Wrap it and come on home... Plunger works, extractor snaps over rim by hand, but not easily.
The box is sitting here all ready to go..
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P.S. - will not eject fired brass either, when fed from magazine, or by hand.
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Lame. Failure to extract is a bad deal.
Any shiny spots on the brass (either at the shoulder or towards the base of the case body) which would indicate the case was not sized quite enough for the chamber? I had issues with this on my ULA 270 with brass set back less than resizer touching shellholder.
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Knock it out with old crank's cleaning rod.. Dang, that old crank guy gets around, he was just at our range here.
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Sounds like you definitely got a Fula. Fulla'chit
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Mine did the same thing. Tried several brands of brass, same issue.
Called Rick and he sent me a new extractor. I put it in and it functioned perfectly. You'd think that would be something they'd check...
FWIW--I called Melvin about potentially upgrading the rifle and told him about the extractor issue. He wasn't happy and then he asked about the new trigger. I told him I preferred the old (his) design and he said he'd had several calls about the triggers...didn't sound happy about that either.
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Lame. Failure to extract is a bad deal.
Any shiny spots on the brass (either at the shoulder or towards the base of the case body) which would indicate the case was not sized quite enough for the chamber? I had issues with this on my ULA 270 with brass set back less than resizer touching shellholder. Nothing funky looking with the brass - no gouges or rubs..
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How about $500? That cover shipping?
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Some say don't worry about the bedding...I say bullshit, if you wanted crap you would have intentionally bought crap...Some wonder why American business suffer...Generally it is because someone don't care or have pride in their product...This one seems to fit that mold...
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Agreed, bean counters rule and ruin things, at the end of the day, Melvin's reputation is on the line, if anything for his NULA, as this Forbes line has his name on it.....I would not have allowed this if I were him. Sorry, not a slam, just a fact.
I would be at the plant assembling these, checking all aspects of quality, inc. test firing for feeding/extraction/ejection issues, as well as accuracy. Accuracy is only ONE dimension....
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Sorry you're having trouble. I think I would send someone in charge a link to this thread. It has over 1800 views which is 1800 potential customers. It shouldn't be that hard to make sure bedding looks better than that and that the rifle will actually function especially considering the wait time and volume they are producing. I mean what's going on over there. Did they hire two illegals to build rifles and call it a company?
I'm sure in the end you will have things to your satisfaction but a little special attention might help you get a rifle that someone at least checked before it left the factory.
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Lame. Failure to extract is a bad deal.
Any shiny spots on the brass (either at the shoulder or towards the base of the case body) which would indicate the case was not sized quite enough for the chamber? I had issues with this on my ULA 270 with brass set back less than resizer touching shellholder. Nothing funky looking with the brass - no gouges or rubs.. In that case, send the turd back.
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I would tell him I wanted my money back and he could keep the rifle.
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Yeah....I would want my money back too.
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With the foam exposed like that, I would be afraid of water getting inside the stock. Not good. Not good at all. I'm almost afraid of taking apart my 24B. Afraid of what I'll find.
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I called Forbes about a month ago about ordering a 20b LH in all stainless.
They are due to start popping out around the first of the year.
This thread is disappointing, especially after owning a 20b NULA. They are special rifles.
Have you emailed Melvin about this, RL? Maybe I missed that here somewhere....
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Knock it out with old crank's cleaning rod.. Dang, that old crank guy gets around, he was just at our range here.
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Some say don't worry about the bedding...I say bullshit, if you wanted crap you would have intentionally bought crap...Some wonder why American business suffer...Generally it is because someone don't care or have pride in their product...This one seems to fit that mold...
I've worked in the manufacturing environment before, and have found that if you let one part of your product stream lag in quality, all others parts will quickly start sinking in quality, too.
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my nula had an issue with extraction Melvin said that the brass being made today was horrible when setting the extractors up to sammi dimensions I wouldn't be so quick to blame the rifle.
and the bedding wont win any contest as far as looks but it does work
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The were a couple burrs on the factory extractor in my 20b. The other thing I noticed was the spring was very weak. The extractor would push down easily, instead of snapping over the rim of the case. The new extractor was burr free and the spring was much tighter.
Rancho's bedding looks much worse than than the rifle I had. I also owned a 24b in 270 late last summer. The bedding in that rifle was almost perfect IIRC. The metal finish on the early 24b was smoother than the finish on the 20b as well.
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Rancho, I think my luck rubbed off on you. Rancho- if what dogcatcher says turns out to be true, you're [bleep].
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Holy chit...
The extractor spring might be an issue.. It does feel sloppy.
Problem is, I really don't have time to wrench on rifles right now with travel and work and spring sports etc etc..
JB recommended some different brass, which would be great if there was any around. I'd love to run some blue box through it..
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Holy chit...
The extractor spring might be an issue.. It does feel sloppy.
Problem is, I really don't have time to wrench on rifles right now with travel and work and spring sports etc etc..
Rancho for $1400-$1500 bucks, you really shouldn't have to. I hate it when rifles don't work like they should. Hope they fix things for you.
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This is really hard to read. Forbes or NULA, Melvin won't be happy. This was his attempt to get a less expensive rifle out there in a mass production style price point.
I'd guess there is a lot of backorders to fill and quality control has suffered.
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This is a Forbes, not a nula..
Not a nula, she's my baby, not a nula, don't mean maybe..
I sent in an email to Forbes in Maine.. We'll see what they say.
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my nula had an issue with extraction Melvin said that the brass being made today was horrible when setting the extractors up to sammi dimensions I wouldn't be so quick to blame the rifle.
and the bedding wont win any contest as far as looks but it does work I would'nt blame Melvin either, but alot of rifles use this type of extractor with good sucess despite the brass used in them, this is a rifle that shouldn't have made it past quality control!
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Is the front pillar curved to match the action, or is it flat? Hard to tell from the picture.
If it is flat, there is no way that action is touching any bedding material. In the picture it actually looks like the pillar was added after bedding was done and then more bedding added to make it look nice and flush. Notice how the material around the pillar is very smooth looking instead of having the parkerized texture of the action. Then look at the bedding up near the show line of the stock and notice how the texture looks. Big difference.
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Curved.. The pillar appears properly installed.
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P.S. - will not eject fired brass either, when fed from magazine, or by hand. Another thread going on about the necessity of proper bedding probably being the cause of so-so grouping in a Montana. Yet some here say they would bet this one will shoot great? What makes them think that? Obviously with the failure to extract it wasn't even function tested. Couldn't cost all that much and would have saved money and bad publicity. I'm with Bob. Lot of things I'm glad they don't make them like they used to. I'm beginning to question if rifles are one of them.
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Curved.. The pillar appears properly installed. Speaking of curved......grin ![[Linked Image]](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/montanasam/d4cf4413-b859-4966-a3d0-b25d2473c253.jpg)
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P.S. - will not eject fired brass either, when fed from magazine, or by hand. Another thread going on about the necessity of proper bedding probably be the cause of so-so grouping in a Montana. Yet some here say they would bet this one will shoot great? What makes them think that? Obviously with the failure to extract it wasn't even function tested. Couldn't cost all that much and would have saved money and bad publicity. I'm with Bob. Lot of things I'm glad they don't make them like they used to. I'm beginning to question if rifles are one of them. Harry, The bedding under the front of the action and the tang look pretty good. The crap bedding is around the trigger area. RL said the lug and full length under the barrel were good. That's why I thought it would shoot. Just my $.02 to answer your question. The extraction issue is unacceptable...especially since Forbes has been contacted about the issue with other rifles. Red flags should be sent to QC to identify potential issues.
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Darrik,
I believe you know what you are talking about and not directed at you in particular. However, I looked at your work on the Kimber and it puts that particular Forbes example to shame. It may and since you know your stuff probably will work.
Perhaps a bad example of one or only a few. My thoughts still are that someone fumbled re the overall quality expectations which goes beyond function in this particular example.
With that tiny extractor, I would think that would be an area they should always pay particular attention to.
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With that tiny extractor, I would think that would be an area they should always pay particular attention to.
And maybe a hint to those that say that CRF ala Mauser 98 is meaningless. No, I am not saying it is absolutely required. Just that it is a better design.
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Having to try different brass is preposterous... definitely a problem there, and it certainly sounds like the spring/extractor is a culprit... well, that and poor QC all the way round.
New products to market usually have some issues... but this ought not be. It's a fairly simple mechanism and the father (NULA) has been around for a couple decades.
Shameful...
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If it shoots, who cares about the bedding?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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If it shoots, who cares about the bedding?
Agreed, but if it can't extract, who cares if it can shoot?
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Let us say it does shoot for now. However, if that didn't take pride in the entirety of their work, how long will it continue to do so. Like Redhead said, what about water getting into the exposed foam and what adverse effects it may have down the road? Something I never thought of until he mentioned it.
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One thing that concerns me about the bedding -- what's up with the mag well? It looks like something was stuck. Why the hole in the bottom? It look like some of the stock popped out with the action...especially around the trigger inlet.
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Let us say it does shoot for now. However, if that didn't take pride in the entirety of the their work, how long will it continue to do so. Like Redhead said, what about water getting into the exposed foam and what adverse effects it may have down the road? Something I never thought of until he mentioned it. Well, a worse thing that happens with a Rem 700 and its clones like the NULA/Forbes, and something I've seen, is water running down into the safety cutout, into the trigger, and freezing... something you don't see happen on an old-school M70 or Mauser. M700's were designed for cheap, efficient manufacture, nothing else.
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Noticed that myself. Another little thing that may mean little or nothing. How many little things does it take until it is a big problem?
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all my rifles have the exposed foam I am sure if it was an issue it would have showed its self in the last 30 years of Melvin building them...........
these are production rifles guys and the price reflects it compared to the nula models I am sure they don't take the time to make them perfect in appearance and everything has its problems but the way it is handled makes the difference to me
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Let us say it does shoot for now. However, if that didn't take pride in the entirety of the their work, how long will it continue to do so. Like Redhead said, what about water getting into the exposed foam and what adverse effects it may have down the road? Something I never thought of until he mentioned it. Well, a worse thing that happens with a Rem 700 and its clones like the NULA/Forbes, and something I've seen, is water running down into the safety cutout, into the trigger, and freezing... something you don't see happen on an old-school M70 or Mauser. M700's were designed for cheap, efficient manufacture, nothing else. Now doubt. My Nula came back from a wet Ak trip in Sept and hung around the house and was shot until Deer season here in December. Came home one night after hunting and closed the bolt on an empty chamber and the hammer fell. Worked the bolt and let it off safe and the hammer dropped. Put it up and took it to Melvin. Then entire trigger mechanism was a bunch of rust. Really like Nula and probably the Forbes, but hate the entire trigger set up.
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One thing that concerns me about the bedding -- what's up with the mag well? It looks like something was stuck. Why the hole in the bottom? It look like some of the stock popped out with the action...especially around the trigger inlet. Hole is front trigger guard screw hole. No imbed, just punched through the stock.
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Curved.. The pillar appears properly installed. Speaking of curved......grin There was one right there in the rack..
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I can't remember -- is there a nut or something? I don't remember taking the front TG screw out upon disassembly.
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I agree there might be some issues with the trigger group but wouldn't flushing it out with lighter fluid after the wet trip have prevented the problem
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there should be a nut bedded for the front tg screw
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In addition, trigger was hard against one side of the mortise in the trigger guard inlet. That's what I relieved with a file yesterday..
These are some pretty basic fit and finish details that shouldn't be short cut.
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there should be a nut bedded for the front tg screw No imbed.
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I was thinking I wanted a Forbes.
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I'm thinking the same thing..
Could buy a tikka and a sig C3 for this rig..
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I agree there might be some issues with the trigger group but wouldn't flushing it out with lighter fluid after the wet trip have prevented the problem Perhaps it would have and something I pay attention to now. Problem is I was used to Model 70's and their for the most part rock solid durability. They have gotten wet and the safety started to be hard to move, but they always remained safe. A little oil and working them back and forth and they were good to go. Have had a couple that hadn't been out of the stock in years of use in what the weather thru at them and the triggers never rusted up. The Timney on the Nula's has a couple little springs that had rust grow on them like a chia pet. Not sure if lighter fluid would have eliminated the issue completely. Really like the Nula, but hate the trigger/safety system, and if there was a different option I would jump on it.
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The other thing that was bothersome on two Forbes was that there were different hex sizes to the front and rear action screws. It wouldn't have taken much to find two of the same size. As it is or was back last year, you needed to didn't hex wrenches to take the action out.
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Speaking of brass, I bet I can grab a Winchester, Tikka, Weatherby/Howa, Ruger and ALL will feed all major ammo fine.
There are some issues going on........
I had a local gunsmith long ago when I was in college tell me my 10/22 was misfiring b/c of ammo, and to use Remington, well perhaps they use softer brass, but that was NOT the issue, it was a bushing and recoil spring assembly that needed replacing. All he did was clean it.....and it continued it's problem till Ruger sent me the new part which I installed.
ANY decent firearm should function/feed/fire/extract/eject most all decent made SAAMI spec ammo, IME.
And I caught major flack for concern over Shaw barrel quality...
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Perhaps one of the Smiths will chime in on if I am right or wrong.
However, I'm thinking that little extractor doesn't have many teeth to bite down on any case. It will work, but it needs to be done right if it is going to work with all.
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With that tiny extractor, I would think that would be an area they should always pay particular attention to.
And maybe a hint to those that say that CRF ala Mauser 98 is meaningless. No, I am not saying it is absolutely required. Just that it is a better design. It's proper fitting of parts as well, never mind which particular design. I've come across a Ruger Hawkeye, big claw extractor and all, which failed to extract cases that certainly were not stuck.
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Sorry to hear all of this. Hopefully this is an isolated incident, particularly the extraction problem and they can resolve it for you (which they should w/o question)!
WRT the stocks and bedding issues, I was under the impression that Melvin was supplying all of the stocks for the rifles, at least originally. Does anyone know if this is still the case? Perhaps that changed w/ the introduction of the M20. I am assuming the bedding, finish work, etc. is being done at the plant in Maine. My friend bought one of the early (2012) M24's in 30-06 and it came with no sling studs. Trying to help him out, I called Melvin who seemed a little disgusted that it was sent out that way, but did send him a new set with instructions on how to install them properly.
I have a 1986 ULA 7mm-08 and several CLR's (a couple "improved" by Melvin). I have never had any issues with the stocks or extraction problems, including magnum handloads. My 7mm-08 does seem to get pretty high velocities w/ factory 139gr Hornady Light Magnum loads (3050fps with 22"" barrel) which I thought maybe had something to do with the way it was chambered??? Never have had any extraction problems however.
Anyone else with ULA's, CLR's, or the Forbes 24's have extraction issues??? Once again, hopefully an isolated incident that can be quickly remedied.
Wish they'd scrap the cosmetic bolt fluting though... kind of like too much make-up on a beautiful girl. Melvin's "ladies" have proven that it is not really need to get the job done effectively.
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If it shoots, who cares about the bedding?
Agreed, but if it can't extract, who cares if it can shoot? Exactly. Feed/function first...accuracy second.
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Very disappointing that such a rifle would ship from someone that clearly knows what it takes to make a proper rifle.
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Curious why you went for the Forbes over a Montana. Just to give one a run?
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Having an early long action, I would say the bolt was rough but after cycling it a�couple hundred times it is smooth as any rifle I have. I have been a little disappointed in the accuracy as we have only had a couple moa groups out of it. Still working on finding the right load for it.
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Very disappointing that such a rifle would ship from someone that clearly knows what it takes to make a proper rifle.
Rancho,
Curious why you went for the Forbes over a Montana. Just to give one a run? Stock fits me a bit better, grip isn't as long as the montana.. And yes, I wanted to try one out.
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I'm thinking the same thing..
Could buy a tikka and a sig C3 for this rig.. You'll like the C3......
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This thread has cured my desire to order a Forbes rifle for now. Sorry you have to deal with these issues Rancho.
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I am also cured of wanting to try a Forbes rifle. Can't believe that rifle got past the QC checks, if they even have them.
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you guys crack me up I guess nothing ever gets past quality control these days ..........you dont even know what the issue is yet ......everything built can and will have issues thats why they offer a warranty in most cases.......you guys that wont buy a forbes because of this what do you buy? not a remington,winchester,mcmillan stock,ford or chevy automobile I hope.........
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Not those issues, not for that kind of money. Did Forbes get the pictures?
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Gene a Forbes is really no more than a lightweight Rem 700!
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The "issue" that bothers me is the fact that Forbes was aware of the situation. I know that for a fact, as I contacted them. I'd also heard of others having the same issue -- that came from one of my conversations with Forbes....not from somebody on the Internet.
My extractor had burs and a weak spring. To their credit, they sent me the parts and I fixed it.
My rifle was a low serial number. After dealing with my issue and being told others had contacted them with the same issue -- they should have gone through every rifle before shipping. These rifles aren't mass produced. They only complete a few on a daily basis.
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you dont even know what the issue is yet I'm pretty sure you didn't read the entire thread...
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Let us say it does shoot for now. However, if that didn't take pride in the entirety of the their work, how long will it continue to do so. Like Redhead said, what about water getting into the exposed foam and what adverse effects it may have down the road? Something I never thought of until he mentioned it. Well, a worse thing that happens with a Rem 700 and its clones like the NULA/Forbes, and something I've seen, is water running down into the safety cutout, into the trigger, and freezing... something you don't see happen on an old-school M70 or Mauser. M700's were designed for cheap, efficient manufacture, nothing else. I guess I am lucky, that freezing trigger thing has never happened to me. Although, in all these years I have only hunted in warm weather, sun out.
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Rancho got sold a pig. Anyone who thinks otherwise just isn't looking at the facts.
He's not one to whine about little stuff, but hatchet inletting, failure to eject and the other problems he mentioned are disappointing.
Can understand having 1 issue, but the litany of schit wrong with this rifle is a little mind boggling.
That's the crap you see on a $300 rifle, not a $1500 gun.
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Just for clarity...I'm not throwing stones at Rancho. I'm on his side in this.
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Not directed at you SA. Gene 270 seems to be asleep at the wheel.
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Let us say it does shoot for now. However, if that didn't take pride in the entirety of the their work, how long will it continue to do so. Like Redhead said, what about water getting into the exposed foam and what adverse effects it may have down the road? Something I never thought of until he mentioned it. Well, a worse thing that happens with a Rem 700 and its clones like the NULA/Forbes, and something I've seen, is water running down into the safety cutout, into the trigger, and freezing... something you don't see happen on an old-school M70 or Mauser. M700's were designed for cheap, efficient manufacture, nothing else. I guess I am lucky, that freezing trigger thing has never happened to me. Although, in all these years I have only hunted in warm weather, sun out. Steve, saw it in the mountains when light rain turned to snow/cold... trigger frozen-up solid. The safety slot in the M700 design is a water channel. Obviously it takes the "just right" conditions for a serious problem... Returning to the regularly scheduled program...
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so what is the problem with the extraction guys ?
brass issue/spring issue/extractor issue/installed incorrectly what is it ?
if their is an issue with triggers freezing up with proper care then why isnt their an issue with others of the design and why havent we heard more on this issue with nula rifles in production for more than 30 years ......sure there is the occasional problem but not a consistent one that i have heard of
everybody complaining about the bedding yeah it is rough but does it work .........anybody ever look at the bedding on a ks model remington in a brown precision stock the one i had wasnt much better and sold for more.........
a sleep at the wheel no just live in the real world where everything isnt perfect and 100% satisfaction doesnt happen everytime.......
things happen see how they are handled and then make a decision on how a company takes care of you........
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I am curious about a Forbes 24 in 270 Win. but after reading this
I am happy with my Weatherby Mark V ULW 30-06 No Problems with it
at all.
I have my Son in Law hounding me for the WBY ULW 30-06 and
I have always wanted to try a Nula 270 Win. but my Poor Health and Medical Bills have prevented me from getting a Nula because of $$.
But with the coming of the Forbes I now could try to finally get one.
Now a Used WBY ULW 270 Win. is looking good.
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Gene I understand not everything we buy is perfect, but SAS has posted that he informed Forbes of some of the same issues and their still shipping rifles out with the same problems, in my book Forbes is not off to a good start on taking care of it's customers, especially with a product blueprint that has been around a while!
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so what is the problem with the extraction guys ?
brass issue/spring issue/extractor issue/installed incorrectly what is it ?
if their is an issue with triggers freezing up with proper care then why isnt their an issue with others of the design and why havent we heard more on this issue with nula rifles in production for more than 30 years ......sure there is the occasional problem but not a consistent one that i have heard of
everybody complaining about the bedding yeah it is rough but does it work .........anybody ever look at the bedding on a ks model remington in a brown precision stock the one i had wasnt much better and sold for more.........
a sleep at the wheel no just live in the real world where everything isnt perfect and 100% satisfaction doesnt happen everytime.......
things happen see how they are handled and then make a decision on how a company takes care of you........
You should really stop making excuses for this turd of a rifle.
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Let us say it does shoot for now. However, if that didn't take pride in the entirety of the their work, how long will it continue to do so. Like Redhead said, what about water getting into the exposed foam and what adverse effects it may have down the road? Something I never thought of until he mentioned it. Well, a worse thing that happens with a Rem 700 and its clones like the NULA/Forbes, and something I've seen, is water running down into the safety cutout, into the trigger, and freezing... something you don't see happen on an old-school M70 or Mauser. M700's were designed for cheap, efficient manufacture, nothing else. I guess I am lucky, that freezing trigger thing has never happened to me. Although, in all these years I have only hunted in warm weather, sun out. Steve, saw it in the mountains when light rain turned to snow/cold... trigger frozen-up solid. The safety slot in the M700 design is a water channel. Obviously it takes the "just right" conditions for a serious problem... Returning to the regularly scheduled program... Operative words, "just right". It has never happened to me, and I have hunted those pesky whitetails here in the midwest in rain and snow. Also have hunted in the rain and snow out west.As far as the regularly scheduled program, I didn't change the channel. "M700's were designed for cheap, efficient manufacture, nothing else" "something you don't see happen on an old-school M70 or Mauser."
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That Tikka Superlite looks better every day.
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For the money, he could have bought a Superlite and dropped it into an Edge stock.
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I figured I would be a bit of a guinea pig with this rifle, and for the record, am still excited about the 20B. And I am not angry, just a little leery of what's going on.
Obviously, it's not ejecting, and I think I know why after the earlier post. This shouldn't have cleared QC..
Inletting is obviously sloppy, and as I pointed out before, the trigger group hard against the side of it's mortise is a rookie
mistake. No threaded insert embedded for the TG screw is either a mistake, or a very distressing shortcut.
I received a very official apology by email this morning by the director of sales/marketing, and will be receiving a return shipping tag shortly. He is pledging to make this right, and I'm betting they do.
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Glad to know they're concerned and will make it right. They seem like neat rifles.
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I had a Forbes 24B 30-06 and had to send it back the bolt was binding I called them and Rick told me the gun would get smoother. I sent it back anyway and they fixed after it sat for 4 weeks and several follow up calls.
I will say it did shoot some great groups with 180 ballistic tips and RL17. The trigger sucked compared to my Tikka's sold the Forbes kept the Tikka.
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I figured I would be a bit of a guinea pig with this rifle, and for the record, am still excited about the 20B. And I am not angry, just a little leery of what's going on.
Obviously, it's not ejecting, and I think I know why after the earlier post. This shouldn't have cleared QC..
Inletting is obviously sloppy, and as I pointed out before, the trigger group hard against the side of it's mortise is a rookie
mistake. No threaded insert embedded for the TG screw is either a mistake, or a very distressing shortcut.
I received a very official apology by email this morning by the director of sales/marketing, and will be receiving a return shipping tag shortly. He is pledging to make this right, and I'm betting they do. If your lucky...maybe Melvin fixes all the quality control returns!
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You would think, being a fledgling company and selling a product being bought by a more discriminating customer quality control would be extremely high on the list. Joe hunter buying a package Savage may never even remove the stock. Not so for anyone looney enough to be spending the bucks on Forbes.
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That Tikka Superlite looks better every day. Why would you get a hunting rifle?
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Rancho,do believe that the rifle was put together 4:45 pm on a Friday afternoon. Good deal that they are making it right.
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I didn't see the ad until after it was sold or I'd a jumped all over it!
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No regrets here, with either deal..
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I didn't see the ad until after it was sold or I'd a jumped all over it! Don't worry. It has a new home where it will be receiving lots of love. Just finished up making a bunch of brass for it.
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I figured I would be a bit of a guinea pig with this rifle, and for the record, am still excited about the 20B. And I am not angry, just a little leery of what's going on.
Obviously, it's not ejecting, and I think I know why after the earlier post. This shouldn't have cleared QC..
Inletting is obviously sloppy, and as I pointed out before, the trigger group hard against the side of it's mortise is a rookie
mistake. No threaded insert embedded for the TG screw is either a mistake, or a very distressing shortcut.
I received a very official apology by email this morning by the director of sales/marketing, and will be receiving a return shipping tag shortly. He is pledging to make this right, and I'm betting they do. Had similar issues with my first 24B, before my first range trip I took it apart and adjusted the trigger. After putting it back together the shells would not feed smoothly from the mag (didn�t try it before). Send it back to Forbes and I also mentioned the paint was not perfect several places along the barrel to my eye. They called me with an apology; the gunsmith at Forbes felt that the stock was not allowed to dry completely before it was assembled with wet paint sticking to the barrel. Later the paint came off the stock when I took it apart to clean/adjust. They repainted the stock, adjusted the mag. I am very happy with the results; it shoots great, feeds perfectly and looks better than new Had they taken a little more time when it was built these errors would not have happened BUT when you�re orders are backed up 18 months production gets rushed mistakes are made...
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BTW I was happy with the service and have since purchased a 24B in 25-06 to go with my 24B 30-06.
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Good to hear they are taking care of it & Old Willys experience as well. I received the call today that my 24B in 280 Rem is finally ready & will be shipping out this week. Hopefully QC is tightened up.
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Forbes will take care of it -- they're good people. Everybody makes mistakes. It's how you deal with them that's important. They'll get Rancho up and running!
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I have been monitoring this thread with great interest, as I too have experienced a "Lemon" model 24B. Mine came in the flavor of a .270 SS barrel. I ordered this rifle back in December of 2013. I wanted the green stock and SS barrel and anxiously awaited its arrival. Besides a Benelli SBEII, this is the most money I have spent on a gun-period. I just got a hankering for a lightweight bolt action rifle to tote in the mountains of Virginia, and while an NULA would have certainly been nice, my wallet would simply not allow such a purchase. Nevertheless, after doing extensive reading/research I chose what I thought to be the next best thing....the "Blue-Collared" working man's NULA- Forbes 24B. The rifle arrived at my FFL in late March, and I felt like a kid on Christmas morning as a went to pick it up. I checked the rifle for initial fit and function. Although the action was initially very, very rough, it did "function" minus ammo. I had the guys at the gun shop adjust a miserable 4 3/4lb trigger down to a very nice 3 1/4lb pull before departing the shop. Overall the rifles finish and cosmetics were very acceptable, with a couple of very, very minor paint imperfections. Alas nothing the first day at the range or in the woods would not surely erase from my memory. After arriving home, I proceeded to give the weapon a thorough cleaning, as I have done with every new weapon I have acquired for the last 40 years. The bore was exceptionally "Gunky" and I went through approximately 40 Pro-Shot patches and Shooters Choice solvent to get it clean. I then greased the lugs and proceeded to work the Gritty Bolt back and forth (Never pulling the trigger) through a couple of TV shows. The action/bolt actually loosened up considerably after this procedure. After thoroughly cleaning all other aspects of the rifle, I proceeded to mount a new Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44 in the supplied Talley rings. Once this was accomplished, again much like a kid....I sat and stared at my new "GO-TOO" rifle I had wanted for so long. While I planned to load 130 BT over some configuration of 4831SC and Norma brass, I realized I had NO .270 ammo in the house for a regimented barrel break-in. So the next day I went to the local Wally-World and you guessed it, picked up a box a trusty Blue-Box Federal 130 Soft Points. The next day prior to departing for the range, I figured I would check TRUE function with live ammo. Here is the point my heart sank! This rifle would not feed properly, nor would it eject properly. On one occasion it would pick up a round from the blind magazine and fail to chamber, the next time it would pick up a round and chamber but fail to extract, the next time it would work for one round, but the next round would fail to chamber! There was NO rhyme or reason for what it would do next! The new factory loaded ammo's brass suffered EXTENSIVE scratching, above and beyond anything I have ever experienced with ANY push-feed rifle. Needless to say I was heartbroken. While I realize there are certainly far worse problems in the world we live, the fact this Brand Spankin' New Unfired rifle was exhibiting such behavior was unbelievable to me. The next day I took the rifle to work with me and had two separate Weapons Armorers examine the rifle. Each said..."Get Your Money Back...NOW!" They also were completely dismayed at the feed/function of this new rifle.
At this point I telephoned Forbes rifles and spoke with Rick Campbell, the Sales Manager. I had been dealing directly with Rick when placing my order, so I felt best dealing with him at this juncture. Needless to say he was very apologetic and assured me they would make it right. I will say without hesitation Mr. Campbell has been a true professional throughout my ordering/payment/shipment, and he DID NOT disappoint me at this point of the ordeal. He provided me a shipping "Code" and advised me to return the rifle for necessary repairs. He further explained the extractor, and magazine box would be replaced as a starting point.
After sleeping on this, the next day I telephoned Mr. Campbell and advised him of my desire to have a Full-Replacement of the weapon. After all I had not fired a single round through the rifle, and it was still brand new. I reasoned that if this were a new car and the salesman pulled it off the showroom floor and it was smoking and leaking oil, "Fixing-It" would not be an option, as a Full Replacement would ONLY suffice. Mr. Campbell did not hesitate on my request. He did advise me it would be Mid-Summer before they ran SS .270's again, so my replacement would be delayed nearly 4 months. I advised him, since it was March, and I typically like to do initial load development in cooler weather this would be acceptable to me. Needless to say, I pointed out the ideal of the cost of this weapon versus a $350 Ruger American, and how as the consumer I expected MUCH, MUCH more for my hard earned money. Hezz, fail to function is a Basic regardless of the weapons cost. Other than Mr. Campbell's customer service....EVERY part of this purchase has been a true Nightmare! I went so far as to ask him to personally test and Shoot the next rifle before shipment to me! He assured me he would do the same by taking the rifle to his home and test firing it, as they do not have a range facility at the manufacturing plant.
I am willing to give Forbes another chance to provide me a fully functioning.......much better than average accuracy rifle....for my much higher than average cost incurred. Don't ask me why, but I truly believe Mr. Campbell and Forbes rifles will deliver! As a footnote......while I know nothing about marketing/production/or sustaining a business...based on some of the feedback I have read......FORBES RIFLES BETTER GET A HANDLE ON THEIR QUALITY CONTROL, and start delivering the quality of weapon they have promised to the consumer.....because in reality NO LEVEL of Customer Service will be able to overcome an Inept/Faulty product. Furthermore, from all that I have read about Mr. Melvin Forbes and his attention to detail...I suspect incidents like these Do-Not sit kindly with him in the least!
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st8tman, You're a patient guy. I would have had it fixed and sold it at a loss.Would have been the "end" for me.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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BobinNH,
Believe me, I fought that very urge to say the least. I had to try to make the Sako Finnlight a distant memory. Hopefully, in the end I will receive the quality and performance I originally paid for. By the way, I forgot to mention in the previous post.......Forbes Management might be well served by placing a phone call to COLT Management, and assessing the demise of the ill-conceived Colt Light Rifle, as this was the original offering mirroring the NULA platform. Contrary to popular belief...unless Quality Control improves...History Can and Will Repeat Itself!
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Thanks for taking the time for that posting, St8.
"nightmare" suffices for your experience.
I'm holding off on ordering my LH 20b....too much in disarray at Forbes. I hope guys post good reports henceforth, but I'm not overly confident.
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Totally unacceptable and Mr. Forbes knows dam well better.
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What's amazing is that they know they are sending out rifles with problems and continue to do so....
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What's amazing is that they know they are sending out rifles with problems and continue to do so.... This. I have been planning to order a Forbes when the all stainless versions hit the market, but I need to see much tighter quality control before taking the plunge. I don't question Forbes making things right when problems arise. I'm simply not willing to go through the hassles when so many other options are available.
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Granted it's about 6 ounces heavier and ain't sporting a Shaw barrel, but I'll suffer through at $500 less. ![[Linked Image]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Shoalcove/Rifle1/243-1.jpg)
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I had mine fixed and sold at a loss. st8tman ask for your money back from Forbes there are other lightweight guns that will give you everything you need right out of the box. Forget about the gun of a lifetime from Forbes.
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Granted it's about 6 ounces heavier and ain't sporting a Shaw barrel, but I'll suffer through at $500 less. Where's the other stock!!!
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
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Specs on your rifle Steelhead?
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Remington 700 stainless steel MR (it was the Guide Gun in a TI stock or whatever the heck it was called), Callahan shroud and McMillan Edge.
Rifle is all factory.
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Granted it's about 6 ounces heavier and ain't sporting a Shaw barrel, but I'll suffer through at $500 less. Is that a tikka?
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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To keep shipping faulty rifles is going to be the death of this product. From a business standpoint, you will go broke with time and money to do the re-work required to repair every one sold. This will not end well if they do not correct this huge blunder, IMHO.
Nice Rem Scott, is that a 2.5-8? OP, regarding that SAUM you sold, it looks like you had a winner.....that was a nice stick as well. Sorry for your troubles.
Some here have far more patience than I do, when you lay down a sizable chunk of hard earned $$$.......others mirror my thoughts.
Surely something is awry when Nula and ULA had such a reputation, and even the CLR's seemed to function fine......and now this......I digress.
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st8tman, You're a patient guy. I would have had it fixed and sold it at a loss.Would have been the "end" for me.
Yup, that is just flat out deplorable!
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What's amazing is that they know they are sending out rifles with problems and continue to do so.... This. I'd be leery of their product until they slow down and implement better QC methods that most of us would consider to be "basic". There's no reason for a $1k+ bolt gun to not feed/function when it arrives. For that kind of price, somebody should be spending 10 minutes giving each rifle a good once-over, checking out fit/finish and functioning before it goes in the box.
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That's the stuff of pre 64 70s and unfortunately it went out of style a long time ago.
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Sad, isn't it? Even accounting for overhead and such, a good inspector could be had for $100/hr. Looking at 5-6 rifles an hour should only contribute $20 or so to the cost of a rifle. Seems well worth it to me if it keeps threads like this from popping up.
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Sad, isn't it? Even accounting for overhead and such, a good inspector could be had for $100/hr. Looking at 5-6 rifles an hour should only contribute $20 or so to the cost of a rifle. Seems well worth it to me if it keeps threads like this from popping up. I could do a much better job than what is being done now at a lot less than $100/hr.
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Wages aren't the only cost in that unit of labor.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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Wages aren't the only cost in that unit of labor. My point was, anyone not blind or asleep could have checked for function and culled that bedding job.
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I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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I bet you'll be satisfied in the end but you shouldn't have had this experience to begin with. I'm on your side. Excellent customer service would entail a manager hand picking you a new rifle, personally function and accuracy testing it and sending it to you with a free set of mounts, gift certificate or such as a gesture of compensation. "Then" making sure this kind of thing is never released again.
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I hesitated to chime in on this thread, but felt I had to after reading it. Recently I ordered a 24B in 270 Win. Got it in short order. Must say that my initial impressions were disappointing. There were areas along the action that the paint never got to. The safety cutout looked like it was done at the society for the blind with a broken dremel tool. As well, the bevel along the right side of the action was very uneven. Finally the trigger - a Timney - had a ton of creep. Then I took the gun apart. Wow. The roughest finish job I have ever imagined seeing. The bottom of the barrel was covered with what Forbes later said was "epoxy filler". Finally, the trigger guard screw was protruding into the mag well.
Does anyone check these things as they leave the factory?
Later that evening I adjust the trigger to lighten it, problem is that it has very little adjustment room as the set screw makes contact with the stock behind the mag well. Nice. Tighten the bolt and put gun back together. Fits now, so I take it apart again to see if I can lighten it a bit more and take the creep out. Gently break the rifle apart and hear a cracking sound. Look at the kitchen table and there are pieces of stock. That thing was as brittle as a potato chip. I am speechless at this point, so I just start to laugh at my bad fortune. I take pictures and email my gun shop and Forbes. Both were very gracious and accommodating, and sent me out a 20B as a replacement.
I chalk it up to bad luck and the fact we all make mistakes.
The replacement arrives the next day. It is every bit as bad as the first, same issues, but in addition this one has a big chunk of epoxy missing from the bedding at the recoil lug. Thankfully, it didn't break, and the trigger had no creep, as one would expect from a Timney. I took pictures of the shoddy workmanship and sent them to my gun dealer. He gave me a full refund no questions asked. Great service from him. You may have noted that I didn't bother sending the email or pictures to Forbes the second time. Why? I can overlook one bad gun. Two? No way in hell. Pure garbage that I will never touch with a ten foot pole. The thing that ticks me off the most is that I sold a mint Finnlight to give Forbes a try. Stupid me.
I have ordered a Kimber Montana 84L to replace this Forbes debacle.
After reading this thread, all I can say is be forewarned. Why buy a gun that costs more, weighs the same, and has a chromoly action? I did, so I could say I had a gun that not many did. Live and learn.
The moral of the story is that even when a good designer passes off production duties to someone else (i.e. Colt and now Titan Machine), don't expect the same as the designer made himself.
Buyer beware. You've been warned.
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Interesting..
Forbes has promised to make it right, and I'm giving them the opportunity. They have been very prompt and courteous in all correspondences..
Rifle goes back on Friday.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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sns2,
Simply stunning. It's really sad to read these stories. Hope they can get things sorted out and quick!
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sns2
That was one helluva indictment of Forbes rifles, and scary as hell for me because I've ordered a left-hand 270 for delivery this Summer.
Will have a conversation with them before I send any money, or I may just cancel.
Thanks for the heads up.
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sns2,
Simply stunning. It's really sad to read these stories. Hope they can get things sorted out and quick! The only way I would take one now us for free. I suggested to my gun dealer that he stop selling them as he has a spotless reputation. While Forbes LLC was super polite. I consider it covering their ass, as they never bothered to check either if those rifles before they went out the door. Bad news travels fast.
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Once again this thread needs to go to both Forbes and Melvin himself. A notation of post number should be made so they can quickly find the posts stating similar or worse experiences. I would like to see the company succeed and someone needs to be terminated. I would do it myself if I was computer savvy enough.
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Count me out. Was saving up for my 50th birthday present to myself.
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Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.
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I sent this link over to Forbes...Hopefully they will take the time to read it.
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Not hard. Pick up the phone and tell him there is a thread he should read on the hunting rifles forum. I'm sure he is familiar with the site.
I kept my pictures and would be happy to talk to him if he sent me a pm. I still have the pictures as this happened in the past two weeks.
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Incredible....how big is this snowball going to get?
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I was beginning to believe I was the "Lone-Ranger" on this debacle, but unfortunately for us consumers this seems to be a ill-conceived trend. Nevertheless in my occupation, we call this a CLUE! Somehow, I still have "Hope" for their second offering to me. I will say publicly....IF they Fail to deliver a product indicative of the $1500 hard earned dollars I spent, I will simply return it...wash my hands of the whole fiasco...and politely Warn any other potential customers of their shortcomings! In reality, we owe this to each other as fellow sportsmen and consumers. I would hope at some point Mr. Forbes would take it upon himself to intervene..after all....it has HIS NAME on it!
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I received a order confirmation March 2013 for a stainless steel 7mm-08 and a .308. I understand the all stainless rifles probably will not be available until 2015. Not sure I want to proceed with this order, but at the same time I am starting to think they may not weather this storm.
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I received a order confirmation March 2013 for a stainless steel 7mm-08 and a .308. I understand the all stainless rifles probably will not be available until 2015. Not sure I want to proceed with this order, but at the same time I am starting to think they may not weather this storm. With all the corners their cutting wait times should be getting shorter.....
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I received a order confirmation March 2013 for a stainless steel 7mm-08 and a .308. I understand the all stainless rifles probably will not be available until 2015. Not sure I want to proceed with this order, but at the same time I am starting to think they may not weather this storm. This storm is in a small corner of the world, however if this storm is any indication of the weather overall, they will not.
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I hesitated to post anything, and still haven't on my locals sites in respect of my gun dealer, but after I read other people having the same issues, I felt Ihad to.
I never did try and chamber any rounds, however, one action felt like it had sand in it, while the other was not bad.
I would only be interested in hearing from Melvin Forbes at this point. While the sales manager is undoubtedly a prince of a fellow, his company's words are empty at this point.
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Scheels had one in 25-06 last year. I let it walk for the same reason I won't buy a "redesigned" vehicle. Glad I did... Travis
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