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Just an observation from an impartial third party, but modern America has a history of acting reasonably "Selflessly" in the international arena.
Whether it�s in the form of aid, economic assistance or even military support or intervention. Looking at Israel, you tend to see the opposite..

I would contend that they always have an agenda. It might not always be clear, but there. miles

I would tend to agree Miles, but even so I would still class America as a decent "world citizen" so to speak..

We all have prejudices. Maybe you ought to approach yours more rationally. That way you'll be more prone to identifying facts as opposed to propaganda.

What's amazing is that the 'fire's neocons have taken sides in the Israel-Palestine conflict w/o no clue of its history and motivations of parties involve. Worse, they get their info from only MSM, and they claim to know facts.

Posters have no clue whether Israel is provoking the attacks nor whether Israel itself is firing rockets at Israel in order to justify killing Palestinians. And believe me, Israel has perfected false-flag wars.

How many Biblical Hebrews actually live in Israel? How many Ashkenazi Jews live in Israel. The Ashkenazis are in now manner related to Biblical Hebrews nor are the Semitic. They are interlopers-terrorists who have seized control of Israel using terrorism.

It's very easy to tell authentic conservatives from liberal, neocon RINO's on this site. And were I forced to opine, I'd say that BOWSINGER and Isaac are paid Internet shills.

So if someone lived across the street from you and kept shooting into your house you would do nothing?

The key word in the scripture you used is "murder". Killing killers is not murder. Did not God say to hunt down killers and slay them?

I certainly hope not, or this world is going to get very lonely.

It just makes my day to see the Horst Wessel leaguers' brain pans come to a boil every time the Jews kick some well-deserved ass....

Actually you are wrong. DNA and genetics of modern day European Jews show they have strong paternal DNA ancestory to the ME. The fact that their DNA is mixed with other populations is simply what you'd expect from a group that has been migrant and stateless for much of recent history..

Besides "Jewishness" is an issue of religion not DNA..

Ok, then 'murderers'.

Childish it may have been, but how's this, instead?

It's pretty well proven that the US has been spying on Germany, and quite recently.

It's been pretty well proven that in years past - and possibly more recently - the US and GB have spied on each other.

I think it would be childish to believe that at this time in history any nation does not spy on its friends when it has the ability and the opportunity to do so.

Of course Israel spies on us. I expect that we spy on Israel.

Of course the US spies on Germany. I expect that Germany spies on us when they can.

I would be astonished - and not in any childish way - if the US and GB were not snooping around in each other's mail when opportunities arise.

The only question in any of this is how deeply, how aggressively and to what end. I expect Israel to be an aggressive and difficult ally. There is no surprise there for me. I accept their behavior as being part of the price we Americans pay for keeping a pitbull at the throats of the jihadists.

Pitbull no...lure, yes.

If they do it right, there will be peace in the region.

I am on the side of Israel, no doubts, ever!

No, there will never be peace in that region.


Probably too much camel piss in the water.

Exactly.

There must be total victory by one side or the other. The status quo is untenable.

The US uses its influence to maintain that status quo supporting both sides and threatening to pull support if they act up. We're as much of a problem as the UN.

Peter;
Top of the morning for me/afternoon for you sir. I trust this finds you doing acceptably well.

Thanks for the above quoted post as the information contained therein seems to line up with the research I've been doing in the last couple years.

We found out very much by accident that my Mom's side of the family for sure has Ashkenazi connections and perhaps on my late Father's mom's side too.

That said and as you so aptly noted," "Jewishness" is an issue of religion not DNA..." "

It would appear in my family's case it may well be at least a couple hundred years since anyone entered a synagogue.

Anyway Peter, since my parents were both born on the prairies of Canada, I'll call myself a plain old Canuck if that's OK and leave it at that.....

On the spying deal, we recently got caught spying on Brazil and a few other "friendly" nations. If the UK and US aren't gathering information here in Canada - and I mean today and actively - then I'm going to be disappointed in their respective intelligence communities, you know?

As always sir, I enjoy your posts and thanks for sharing the cyber 'Fire with me this fine smoky day in July (forest fires up and down the valley from us as I type).

Have a good one sir.

Dwayne

Thats about the only certainty about the whole situation..

This is the most un-American post I've read on the 'fire. It's tantamount to treason. At best, it's rationalizing bad behavior.

I don't give a chit on whom we spy, but I sure as hell give a chit who spies on us, and that includes ally & foe alike.

You ought to read Venona.

Liberal, neocon RINO's flesh themselves out with their own posts, this one being prime example. You're assuredly good with reasonable gun control.

Were you good with Israel's murdering US sailors?

We should have reduced Israel to a glass parking lot after its declaring war on us and murdering our sailors. But you're good with making excuses.

How much is AIPAC paying you?

Gents,

Re the issue of various nations spying on each other, of course it goes on to one degree or another. I would expect the US to be eves dropping on the UK and visa versa..

However, in the case of Israel, they recruited agents in the US to actively steal America most closely guarded secrets directly related to her national security.

Israel did this at a time when they were heavily dependent on the US for economic, military and political support for their very survial. It would have been akin to West Germany try to steal atomic secrets from the US during the Berlin airlift.

Regards,

Peter

You might want to read DNA research. Ashkenazi Jews are not Sephardic Jews. They are not similar in appearance. They do not share common DNA. Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism ling after the crucifixion of Jesus.

Here's scietific DNA test results .