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Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder temmi #9050688 07/25/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,336 Way Out West TopCat Campfire Regular
TopCat Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,336 Way Out West	The victim has to be in reasonable fear of his life in order to justify the use of lethal force... I'd say getting beaten to death during a robbery would easily qualify on that count. He shot at the perps to stop the beating...the flying bullets were the only factor that stopped the attack. In a situation like this one you don't want to hesitate, that next doubt in your mind might be your last one. He showed far too much restraint in my eyes...I would have emptied the pistol. It ain't all burritos and strippers my friends...

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Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Bristoe #9050737 07/25/14
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,559 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage
The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,559 USA	Originally Posted by Bristoe Old people will shoot a burglar. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=725_1346953264 His commentary on the cops, and how that's "not America," is spot on.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder GunReader #9050742 07/25/14
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,559 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage
The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,559 USA	Originally Posted by GunReader A good lawyer ought to be able to get at least a hung jury out of that. Temporary insanity? Continued fear for his life? Give an 80 yo man a good beating up and you should expect that he can not make rational decisions for a while and he might still be overcome by a dread fear for his life that he should have recognized had passed but for the mental confusion they caused by beating him up. Yep.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder RickyD #9050760 07/25/14
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,464 G gremcat Campfire Regular
gremcat Campfire Regular G Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,464	Originally Posted by RickyD The only thing he should have said to the police was, "lawyer". ^This. Reminds me of a saying. Never pick a fight with an old guy. He is tired and will just kill you or something to that affect.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder The_Real_Hawkeye #9050769 07/25/14
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 920 Salado, Texas A Auger01 Campfire Regular
Auger01 Campfire Regular A Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 920 Salado, Texas	Two resons I think California won't prosecute him. One, he's probaby going to be dead of natural causes before the trial, not to mention any appeals. Two, the state doesn't want the extra healthcare expense that incarcerating the old codger requires.

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Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Auger01 #9050798 07/25/14
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,087 G guyandarifle Campfire Regular
guyandarifle Campfire Regular G Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,087	If he'd shot them on ingress or actually during the struggle this would be so much easier. If it turns out he put a couple bullets into the girl's back while they fled outside it gets a lot more complicated. (even if we all agreed the world is better off) If there's one thing I've become certain of it's that there's too much certainty in the world.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Calhoun #9050826 07/25/14
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,858 West Treasure Valley, Idaho I Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger
Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger I Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,858 West Treasure Valley, Idaho	Originally Posted by Calhoun They've got the accomplice under arrest. The accomplice may be charged with murder since a death occurred during the commission of a felony. DA is reviewing it. That would be one worth while outcome of this whole sad mess. People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder GunReader #9050858 07/25/14
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,600 Not In The City rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna
rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,600 Not In The City	These are the type cases that are chosen as the MSM hype stories. They are chosen because they ARE controversial, and may have multiple choice answers. Much like the Zimmerman case and the guy that shot the two burglars in his home, the cases are hard to judge and THAT is why the MSM focuses self defense issues and gun control issues on cases like this. They don't publicize or promote the case of the young blonde mother that shot 3 retarded, black hoodrats as they were setting fire to her home after killing her husband.... No controversy in a story like that, and it doesn't head down the liberal road they want you to take, emotionally. This story is about "Pregnant Mother Killed by Evil Gun Owner!" Period. Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Middlefork_Miner #9050871 07/25/14
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 15,358 907novacancynenana atvalaska Campfire Ranger
atvalaska Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 15,358 907novacancynenana	one less Obama supporter..... I work harder than a ugly stripper....

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder rockinbbar #9050882 07/25/14
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asphaltangel Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,884 base of the Blue Mountains	Originally Posted by rockinbbar These are the type cases that are chosen as the MSM hype stories. They are chosen because they ARE controversial, and may have multiple choice answers. Much like the Zimmerman case and the guy that shot the two burglars in his home, the cases are hard to judge and THAT is why the MSM focuses self defense issues and gun control issues on cases like this. They don't publicize or promote the case of the young blonde mother that shot 3 retarded, black hoodrats as they were setting fire to her home after killing her husband.... No controversy in a story like that, and it doesn't head down the liberal road they want you to take, emotionally. This story is about "Pregnant Mother Killed by Evil Gun Owner!" Period. Good point! and evil with a capital E.

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Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder asphaltangel #9051167 07/25/14
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,240 Tejas JohnnyLoco Campfire Outfitter
JohnnyLoco Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,240 Tejas	I think the US would be a better place if 80 year olds took out more bad guys.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder JohnnyLoco #9051192 07/25/14
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,740 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana
Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,740 Eastern Nebraska	Coroner just announced that the dead lady was NOT pregnant. Might calm the hysteria, but still expect him to be charged. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Intruder-Shot-by-Homeowner-Not-Pregnant-268655212.html Last edited by Calhoun; 07/25/14. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder GunReader #9051201 07/25/14
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WyColoCowboy Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,519 Woodland Park, Colorado	He fired at them inside the house and missed, then followed them outside and fired again while they fled. He lives in California. The only good thing about this situation is that he is 80, so he won't be able to do a lot of time. "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Middlefork_Miner #9051262 07/25/14
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2legit2quit Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 20,683 cold & forbidden	Feel for the old boy, but at 80 years of age, go ahead give me life. stupid [bleep], thieves ought to be shot, so should politicians that pass laws that say you can't shoot a thief I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Miss_Lynn #9051671 07/25/14
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bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA	Originally Posted by Miss Lynn http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-calif-man-80-fatally-shot-pregnant-home-intruder/ Cops: Calif. man, 80, fatally shot pregnant home intruder LONG BEACH, Calif. - Police said a California man fatally shot a woman who he claimed was ransacking his home, reports CBS Los Angeles. Authorities are investigating whether 80-year-old Tom Greer, of Long Beach, Calif., shot the unidentified woman in self-defense, according to the station. On Tuesday night, officers responded to a call of shots fired at the home. Greer told police he walked in on a man and a woman going through his things. He said the couple tackled him but that he was able to get his gun and turn it on the woman, CBS Los Angeles reports. "She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!'" Greer told KNBC Wednesday. "And I shot her anyway." He said the couple had been to his home twice before and that he shot the woman twice in the back while the male accomplice ran away. Investigators would not say whether the shooting occurred inside the home or in the alley behind the house. According to the station, Greer is not under arrest and police are still determining whether or not the homeowner will face charges. "We're looking into the possibility of someone else being involved, but we don't know just yet," Deputy Chief David Hendricks told the Long Beach Post. "We're just sorting out what happened." Neighbor George Romero told CBS Los Angeles Greer is a nice man who has been burglarized several times in the past. "I remember the first break-in. They literally tore down the front door," he said. "And that's where I came in and met him. I said, 'Hey, what's going on? You okay?' And ever since then, we've been acquaintances." Video Click the link for news video, and interview with 80 year old shooter..... http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1931419 The old man is smart , now he doesn't have to pay child support A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder TopCat #9052764 07/26/14
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Calif. Hunter Campfire Tracker Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 3,133 Apple Valley, CA	Originally Posted by TopCat The victim has to be in reasonable fear of his life in order to justify the use of lethal force... I'd say getting beaten to death during a robbery would easily qualify on that count. He shot at the perps to stop the beating...the flying bullets were the only factor that stopped the attack. In a situation like this one you don't want to hesitate, that next doubt in your mind might be your last one. He showed far too much restraint in my eyes...I would have emptied the pistol. Yes, but then the beating stopped and they fled - he followed them outside and shot her in the back as she was running away. The fact that he was beaten and is 80 may help his case, but if I did that, I'd be charged. �That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.� George Orwell

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder Calhoun #9052782 07/26/14
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne M Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter
Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne	Originally Posted by Calhoun Coroner just announced that the dead lady was NOT pregnant. Might calm the hysteria, but still expect him to be charged. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Intruder-Shot-by-Homeowner-Not-Pregnant-268655212.html I found this interesting too.... "The mother of a man charged with murder stemming from the fatal shooting of his alleged accomplice by a homeowner during a Long Beach robbery has been arrested on suspicion of robbery in connection with the case. Ruby Adams, 49, of Long Beach, was booked into jail on Thursday night, police said Friday. She is the mother of Gus Polly Adams, a suspect in a Tuesday night robbery that ended with his accomplice getting shot by the homeowner."

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder GunReader #9052821 07/26/14
Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,796 I InternetGuru Campfire Regular
InternetGuru Campfire Regular I Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,796	I am so sick of every newspaper article leading with the pregnancy angle in an attempt to blame the victim rather than the idiot criminal who put herself in that situation in the first place. Hopefully now that it's shown she was just lying (who'd have thought?) the public scrutiny will die off and the DA will be able to let this one slide.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder InternetGuru #9052835 07/26/14
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA bea175 Campfire 'Bwana
bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA	she was not only a Thief, but a liar also. Good ridden to both of them , to bad he didn't kill them both A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: 80 year old kills pregnant intruder bea175 #9052858 07/26/14
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 14,742 NW okok Campfire Outfitter
okok Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 14,742 NW	I'm sort of on the fence...leaning towards the old dumb fart. Jed York does not own the 49ers; Russell Wilson does.

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