Reading this forum, one might get the impression that you simply cannot hunt successfully without a certain brand and model of rifle and scope.
I exclusively muzzle-loaded for deer for about 10 years. When the opportunity presented itself to rifle hunt private land, I decided that a "beater" would be a good idea. 220 bucks for a Mossberg 100-ATR (.270 even), a Weaver Grand Slam 4.75 fixed scope I had lying around, and some Warne rings that were lying around in the same box, and I went hunting.
Somehow, despite the obvious disadvantages when compared to all the "better" rifles, scopes, and calibers out there, after shooting at a dozen or so deer, it has yet to miss a deer, or require two shots on one.
How can that possibly be??? Do any of you other guys actually go and kill stuff, grill it, and eat it, without using the forum's "preferred" boutique rifle and scope combo?
Heck, reading this forum, you'd think shoot'n a deer with a pistol would be dang near impossible....
I like good rifles, and own a few. They're a joy to shoot, handle, and load for.
I do most of my hunting with an open-sighted muzzleloader though. Max range is not much more than 100 yards. I just like to hunt in September, especially elk.
Reading this forum, one might get the impression that you simply cannot hunt successfully without a certain brand and model of rifle and scope.
I exclusively muzzle-loaded for deer for about 10 years. When the opportunity presented itself to rifle hunt private land, I decided that a "beater" would be a good idea. 220 bucks for a Mossberg 100-ATR (.270 even), a Weaver Grand Slam 4.75 fixed scope I had lying around, and some Warne rings that were lying around in the same box, and I went hunting.
Somehow, despite the obvious disadvantages when compared to all the "better" rifles, scopes, and calibers out there, after shooting at a dozen or so deer, it has yet to miss a deer, or require two shots on one.
How can that possibly be??? Do any of you other guys actually go and kill stuff, grill it, and eat it, without using the forum's "preferred" boutique rifle and scope combo?
Heck, reading this forum, you'd think shoot'n a deer with a pistol would be dang near impossible....
The open-mouthed Hero Drool Pics are phuqqing HILARIOUS!
GREAT way to tie-in Turd Polishing.
Laughing!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
i have been through the remingtons, rugers, winchesters, etc. then started playing with mausers and building my own savages the way i wanted them.
this year i have been simplifying, selling the toys and now hunt with a mauser sporter vz24 in 257 roberts, and a savage barreled to 250 savage. have less than $700 in them total, very accurate and do everything i need them to do.
nice expensive stuff is great, but not necessary for me to enjoy time outdoors.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Hang a pic of "them",if only to knock it out of the Park.
Chambering,mounts,glass particulars,bullet?
Thanks!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
My idea of cheap is old, mildly used. Most hunting rifles are fired very little and as long as the bores aren't pitted, they shoot just fine. A little JB to get the copper out and you'd be surprised how good a 60-some year old rifle will shoot. They may be a little heavy and a bit scarred, but so am I.
Old scopes, on the other hand, often aren't up to snuff.
Killed a couple deer with an old beat up Marlin 44 mag, iron sights. But that was years ago. A favorite of mine was a Savage 110 lefty in 30-06 with Tasco Scope, That I paid $200. for. Killed a few deer and elk with it. Wish I still had it. Would be a nice back up rifle. I'd change the scope though to a vintage Weaver or something, just to make it classy.
Hang a pic of "them",if only to knock it out of the Park.
Chambering,mounts,glass particulars,bullet?
Thanks!................
Stick, it was a used Rem.788(.308) with Red Field scope base and rings, Burris Full Field scope(the early ones,3x9-34?) and Speer 150 gr BT.
During the off season I shot thousands of mil. sup. FMJs through it until I could only seat bullets to fit the mag. It still shot into less than an inch.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Don't know, don't care. I do know the tenderloins were awesome that night. 4 minutes a side at 400 degrees. Some mushrooms and onions sauteed in butter, Texas toast and a salad = dinner.
But it was a tad over 70 yards with a Ruger SBH sporting a Leupold FX-II fixed 2x scope, flinging a 240g Hornady XTP with a stout charge of W296.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You could drive a yugo and get where you're going..
Then there are guys on this forum that their personalities are like owning a Yugo....nothing you'd be proud of and hopefully your friends won't hold against you....
But then again, you could put oversized rims with spinners on it with skinny tires and there would be someone in the ghetto who thinks it is cool...
Moral of the story.... IN Oakland there is a guy somewhere who thinks you are really COOL there Rauncho...
It ain't much of a coincidence,that your "best" efforts are hilarious!
Keep the "results" coming.
Laughing!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Don't know, don't care. I do know the tenderloins were awesome that night. 4 minutes a side at 400 degrees. Some mushrooms and onions sauteed in butter, Texas toast and a salad = dinner.
But it was a tad over 70 yards with a Ruger SBH sporting a Leupold FX-II fixed 2x scope, flinging a 240g Hornady XTP with a stout charge of W296.
I kinda think of my rifles as "investments that shoot", so I've traded up over the years.
However I'm there when it comes to game meat and filled freezers.
where we hunt, skinning is a communal affair....
and so is eating.......
Tenders don't usually make past the pit. I'll lay em' out on a board. Take some Worchetershire Sauce, garlic powder, Tony Chacheries and pepper, marinade for about 10 minutes and throw on the grill. No more than three minutes a side and they are ready to go. Cut into chunks and serve with a shot of tequila and a lime squeeze.
Same way on hoglets.
Will take a hind or two and rub it down,
We have a propane smoker that does great. Put meat on before you go out in the afternoon, when ya get back it's just about ready to be taken off..
You could drive a yugo and get where you're going..
Then there are guys on this forum that their personalities are like owning a Yugo....nothing you'd be proud of and hopefully your friends won't hold against you....
But then again, you could put oversized rims with spinners on it with skinny tires and there would be someone in the ghetto who thinks it is cool...
Moral of the story.... IN Oakland there is a guy somewhere who thinks you are really COOL there Rauncho...
Can someone tell me what in the hell moobs just said?
Originally Posted by captain seafire
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
Ad for cheep rifles and scopes, they can still be cool on the fire. My boat paddle ruger put two elk into the freeze for guys last season. A .270 even..
Originally Posted by captain seafire
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
I lost a brand new Gerber Gator with a drop point blade on it's maiden hunting trip a few years back. That irritated me. I can't imagine donating a Randall to some future archaeologist.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them." -Master Chief Hershel Davis
Ad for cheep rifles and scopes, they can still be cool on the fire. My boat paddle ruger put two elk into the freeze for guys last season. A .270 even..
The secondhand rack ADL worked on my 3 biggest Haybale & Crockett whitetail dinks.
$350 gun if I remember correctly?
And it's a 270, guess it just goes to show you can't stop greatness!
Hang a pic of "them",if only to knock it out of the Park.
Chambering,mounts,glass particulars,bullet?
Thanks!................
Stick, it was a used Rem.788(.308) with Red Field scope base and rings, Burris Full Field scope(the early ones,3x9-34?) and Speer 150 gr BT.
During the off season I shot thousands of mil. sup. FMJs through it until I could only seat bullets to fit the mag. It still shot into less than an inch.
My 788 308 does alright. It likes 165 GKs and Varget.
Nut
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Reading this forum, one might get the impression that you simply cannot hunt successfully without a certain brand and model of rifle and scope.
I exclusively muzzle-loaded for deer for about 10 years. When the opportunity presented itself to rifle hunt private land, I decided that a "beater" would be a good idea. 220 bucks for a Mossberg 100-ATR (.270 even), a Weaver Grand Slam 4.75 fixed scope I had lying around, and some Warne rings that were lying around in the same box, and I went hunting.
Somehow, despite the obvious disadvantages when compared to all the "better" rifles, scopes, and calibers out there, after shooting at a dozen or so deer, it has yet to miss a deer, or require two shots on one.
How can that possibly be??? Do any of you other guys actually go and kill stuff, grill it, and eat it, without using the forum's "preferred" boutique rifle and scope combo?
Heck, reading this forum, you'd think shoot'n a deer with a pistol would be dang near impossible....
Ain't popular with the campfire.... but I've seen a lot of local kids do pretty darn well with used Savages, synthetic stocks.. in 243 etc... that have done pretty well around here...
others with a low buck 30/30 from the Pawn Shops...
with a 4 power Tasco mounted on top....
must have been they didn't know any difference is why the combos didn't fail them....
I remember when Savage brought out those $300 combos with a scope. They out shot a lot of custom rifles. That is about when those Savages got the reputation for being butt ugly, but accurate as hell.
It's been a long time ago, but my first rifle cost $136 and I put a $18 Bushnell scope on it. I think the rings and bases were Weavers and less than $10. That rifle killed a lot of deer and pronghorn in NM and a few elk there and CO.
If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
I have lost track of how many young hunters that I knew in PA that were handed an ugly home custom Arisaka, Carcano, Mauser, etc. and killed the biggest buck during a deer drive.
It'd puke in a day,with that glass and mounts..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
2. Beware the magician with the best wand that money can buy. He is liable to be sho nuff head and shoulders above the other slight of hand artists.
NOBODY has ever used good riggin' and said: "That don't interest me"................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It looks like you guys know how to eat, which is what it's all about!
10/4,
I hunt with 8 other guys. A couple of the guys have been running buds for almost 30 years. This will be my 15th season to hunt with the core members of the group. When I go up by myself I don't cook much. But when a bunch of us are in camp every day is a "holiday" and we take all our meals together.
A couple of the guys would rather cook than hunt, and they do.
One guys son is a deck hand on a fishing boat. He will bring tuna or swordfish.
His bud went to some culinary school and has worked as a chef. He does some fine fixins.
I have quite a bit of sausage made. Smoked links will be black bear, Aoudad, Elk, deer or pork.
That always goes good.
Usually have some jalepeno cheese summer sausage made from some critter.
Thick pork chops, rib-eyes and T-bones are the rule.
Mornings are usually left over meat mixed with eggs, chili's cheese wrapped in a tortilla. I'll usually bring up a big pot of my Texas Barking spider beans.
Hunt in the mornin. Come back in and eat a good breakfast. Have a couple brewskis about noon. Go take a nap til 2 pm or so. Get up, go out and watch for critters till dark thirty. Load up a hoglet if I thump one, come back in, have a beverage and get ready for dinner. Have a good cigar and another beverage after dinner, while listening to some tunes and sitting by the fire. Then hit the hay. Get up in the AM and do it again.
Everyone's definition of "hard use" is different and I've never had to fret mine.
Hint................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I'm more than very certain,that Imitation is THE most sincere form of Flattery. Congratulations?
You "hard charging" Titty Shooters are a "rugged" bunch.
Laughing!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Schitty guns and schitty glass are fine if you don't like to shoot the other 50 weeks a year.
Sometimes you enjoy shooting rifles that you don't hunt with. I started the thread about killin' stuff with inexpensive rifles. Don't mean I don't like shooting other rifles I don't hunt with.....
In my defense, I had that scope before Stick thought they were cool. Back before they made a 6x super-chicken.
Larry I see that you are right back at trolling again by mocking and insulting good people that have rich full lives that include something more than pounding thousands of dollars of bullets into the dirt in a feeble attempt to win some admiration from people that (unfortunately for you) have better things to do with their time and money. Your name calling gets more childish every week, especially when coupled with the endless repition of the same lines.
Funnier than phuqq,that your "Trump Card" is to try to angle a connection to me. Laughing!
The FF's seriously waned after inception and pre-6x...not that someone who "does" as "much" as you,could know something so obvious.
Hell,you can't even keep your gaping pie-hole closed for Dink & Titty pics.
Laughing!....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Larry I see that you are right back at trolling again by mocking and insulting good people that have rich full lives that include something more than pounding thousands of dollars of bullets into the dirt in a feeble attempt to win some admiration from people that (unfortunately for you) have better things to do with their time and money. Your name calling gets more childish every week, especially when coupled with the endless repition of the same lines.
Royce,
I see your that dead end job,is really granting you an exceptional Whine,to frost your Turd Polishing ways. Do tell,what does a Whining Clueless Kchunt such as yourself,do for a "living"? Wax eloquent on those sweet "satisfactions". Laughing!
Like this is going to be the week you pry your kchunt from the couch and do something?!?
THAT is funnier yet.
Bless your heart.
I really enjoyed "repition" you poor,poor(literally) STUPID phuqq.
Laughing!..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Funnier than phuqq,that your "Trump Card" is to try to angle a connection to me.
Seeing as you've never actually needed a "hard-use" rifle, and your manners are lacking to the extreme, you don't come across as anyone I would want to be connected with.
Of course, anyone with a lick of sense could figure out that the person starting this thread isn't out to be your buddy.
Sorry, you'll have to settle for your usual knob-lickers.
It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you must.
Funnier than schit,that you Clueless Drooling Dumb Phuqqs,quite literally can't keep your gaping mouths shut.
Funniest pictures I've seen in a while,especially due the fact that you were doing your "best".
Wow!......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Still looks better than any picture of you when you were serving in the military overseas in a combat zone......wait, the Marines had a height requirement, you COULDN'T serve.....
Lot of good " value" rifles out there. I have two of the Stevens 200s and would hunt anytime anywhere with them the 223 wears a Pentax 3-9 I bought on close out and the 308 wears a Nikon monarch 4x that rescued from ebay for about $100. I don't believe I have $300 in either one.I like nice rifles but would be the first to say you can come up with any number of good deer hunting rigs for < $ 500.
I enjoy your Imagination,almost as much as you do.
Fortunately for you...it's free.
Laughing!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've the shoulders to happily be,whatever your Imagination most needs me to be,in order to help your Pretend.
Your innate ability to bask in sheer and utter Cluelessness,is straight up plum phuqqing amazing.
Congrtatulations?.......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
A good evening to you. This forum has many facets. I found it while finally getting around to a first build and looking for advice. Over the years there are some very knowledgeable folks who have shared there experience to avoid me and others making the same mistakes again.
Many folks on here do have some expensive iron - I don't believe it is because they are putting on airs, rather I think they usually genuinely proud of their latest toy or acquisition.
Hell, I hunted my first 30 years with the same economy Winchester Model 670A in 3006 with a beat up old Leupold M4 on it. Killed all kinds of stuff with it.
As circumstance allowed I have augmented my collection somewhat. Some of it is pretty nice by my standards some is pretty plain. My point to you is that I think you may have misinterpreted the intent in some posts. I think most regulars here don't believe you need a $5,000 rifle to be effective - now they probably all WANT a $5,000 rifle but that is not the same thing.
You've been around long enough to distinguish. Not sure what the point of your post is.
I think she's Trolling for a Handicap Parking Permit,given the gaping maw,mis-aligned blinkers and substantial drool.
In fairness,she do have a skinny leg to stand upon.
Laughing!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You've been around long enough to distinguish. Not sure what the point of your post is.
As you can see in the thread (that .50BMG isn't exactly something you get at Wally-world at a discount) I have nothing against "nicer" rifles. That one has shot much better than MOA at 1k yard matches despite my "drool" and "pretend." Reloading for it isn't exactly cheap either.
That said, one certainly doesn't need a "hard use" rifle to go fill the freezer. Especially in places where the season is short and the shots are shorter.
Having a nice discussion about filling the freezer with inexpensive rifles isn't a bad thing. Heck, if you remove some trolling, it's actually been a pretty cool thread.
The first CF rifle I ever bought was a Remington 710 30-06 package with a Bushnell scope. Pulled the trigger on that rifle 5 times at game. Killed 4 deer and completely missed one(my fault). I've upgraded since then and enjoy the better rifles and scopes that I now own, but custom rifles and $1-2K scopes aren't necessary to put meat in the freezer.
I still own a few rifle/scope combos that I could give two schitts if the scopes track perfectly. Once they are set at 2 inches high at 100yds, all is good. I'm never gonna use them past 200yds anyway. On my long range rigs, tracking matters, and I spend the money to get the accurate tracking needed for that purpose.
Those who must raise their voice to get their point across are generally not intelligent enough to do so in any other way.
Just peeved at people out there who try to rub sKata in ......
hey you can afford to use quality kit - good on you. But if you cant - don't start with " this $200 gun can do the same thing as a $1500 Sako 85 or similar!!"
You've been around long enough to distinguish. Not sure what the point of your post is.
As you can see in the thread (that .50BMG isn't exactly something you get at Wally-world at a discount) I have nothing against "nicer" rifles. That one has shot much better than MOA at 1k yard matches despite my "drool" and "pretend." Reloading for it isn't exactly cheap either.
That said, one certainly doesn't need a "hard use" rifle to go fill the freezer. Especially in places where the season is short and the shots are shorter.
Having a nice discussion about filling the freezer with inexpensive rifles isn't a bad thing. Heck, if you remove some trolling, it's actually been a pretty cool thread.
Have a nice night, and a great holiday tomorrow.
Yep...that's a High Zoot 50 alright.
Laughing!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The ONLY move Clueless Window Lickers have,is to trumpet their Turd Polishing via pics of Dinks and Titties...with their mouths open catching flies.
Actually,it is a VERY effective Trump Card.
Laughing!...................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I just got a Mossberg ATR . Its the most accurate .30-06 Ive ever used. It has a Simmons4X on top and its going to split woods time with a Savage 111 .300 WM I just bought. Last year I mostly hunted with a Marlin XL7 in .270 topped with a Tasco 4X and that combo brought home the venison. I have Ruger 77's but the budget guns slay them in accuracy.
Goalie, thank you for your service in the military. I don't agree with the wars fought, but I salute the courageous man who does what he feels is honorable.
I'm a bargain shooter. I have a couple expensive guns, but they were passed down from my father. Cheap rifles can often shoot great or be made to, IME, and cheap optics too, within a few limitations. I don't have a 5-figure budget for my 'hobby' (according to the Mrs), or even a 4-figure one the last few years, so I've planned for and executed cheap really well. I guess I'm still at the quantity over quality stage.
It looks like you guys know how to eat, which is what it's all about!
10/4,
I hunt with 8 other guys. A couple of the guys have been running buds for almost 30 years. This will be my 15th season to hunt with the core members of the group. When I go up by myself I don't cook much. But when a bunch of us are in camp every day is a "holiday" and we take all our meals together.
A couple of the guys would rather cook than hunt, and they do.
One guys son is a deck hand on a fishing boat. He will bring tuna or swordfish.
His bud went to some culinary school and has worked as a chef. He does some fine fixins.
I have quite a bit of sausage made. Smoked links will be black bear, Aoudad, Elk, deer or pork.
That always goes good.
Usually have some jalepeno cheese summer sausage made from some critter.
Thick pork chops, rib-eyes and T-bones are the rule.
Mornings are usually left over meat mixed with eggs, chili's cheese wrapped in a tortilla. I'll usually bring up a big pot of my Texas Barking spider beans.
Hunt in the mornin. Come back in and eat a good breakfast. Have a couple brewskis about noon. Go take a nap til 2 pm or so. Get up, go out and watch for critters till dark thirty. Load up a hoglet if I thump one, come back in, have a beverage and get ready for dinner. Have a good cigar and another beverage after dinner, while listening to some tunes and sitting by the fire. Then hit the hay. Get up in the AM and do it again.
The ONLY move Clueless Window Lickers have,is to trumpet their Turd Polishing via pics of Dinks and Titties...with their mouths open catching flies.
Actually,it is a VERY effective Trump Card.
Laughing!...................
Makes no sense. I will say this the more he talks, the funnier he sounds. Like a clown at a kids birthday party, you know the one, he shows up drunk and scares the kiddies.
The ONLY move Clueless Window Lickers have,is to trumpet their Turd Polishing via pics of Dinks and Titties...with their mouths open catching flies.
Actually,it is a VERY effective Trump Card.
Laughing!...................
Makes no sense. I will say this the more he talks, the funnier he sounds. Like a clown at a kids birthday party, you know the one, he shows up drunk and scares the kiddies.
Having a nice discussion about filling the freezer with inexpensive rifles isn't a bad thing. Heck, if you remove some trolling, it's actually been a pretty cool thread.
Have a nice night, and a great holiday tomorrow.
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I think I got you.
Yeah, I'm down to my last month of meat. Good thing the season is just opening.
We had a large moose roast last night with 4 guests over, including a young man who proclaims that he is my daughters friend. Fun to watch a young fella on short rations tuck into home cooking, he must have eaten 2 or 3 pounds of that roast by himself.
Hopefully this season will be as good as the last one to my freezer.
I know a couple of guys(and one gal) that put meat in the freezer with Mossberg ATRs pretty regularly, another who LOVES his 464. My younger brother get some very nice bucks with just stupid regularity carying an old Savage model 10 .308 with a Tasco 3-9...one buddy of mine told me recently that the .243 ATR he bought his wife shoots Federal Blue box better that his Weatherby Mk.V(.300 Bee) shoots the best handloads they have tried(he is still using the Weatherby though ) I started hunting with a milsurp M98 with original irons and never had a problem putting meat in the freezer with that or the $200 Century Arms 98 sporter I bought when I was 19(I DID splurge on a Weaver V9 Classic for that one, I bet I had ALMOST $300 in it). Building a (hopefully) inexpensive 8x57 with a vz-24 action and a new Yugo barrel that I bought on the cheap a while back right now(just want to build one myself been a goal of mine for a while)
Hunt with what you like and if anybody has a problem just smile and say good for you!!!
Last edited by CowboyTim; 09/01/14.
Mauser Rescue Society Founder, President, and Chairman
I don't always shoot Mausers, but when I do...I prefer VZ-24s.
Somehow, despite the obvious disadvantages when compared to all the "better" rifles, scopes, and calibers out there, after shooting at a dozen or so deer, it has yet to miss a deer, or require two shots on one.
Taint here to judge your choices but over the long haul, I must confess to preferring the odds of a wee better equipment making boom and having the scope do what it needs to do over your choices.
Hypothetical for you - You're going on a guided hunt, and, you've shelled out some dough to do so. Are you taking the ATR and that scope?
Somehow, despite the obvious disadvantages when compared to all the "better" rifles, scopes, and calibers out there, after shooting at a dozen or so deer, it has yet to miss a deer, or require two shots on one.
Taint here to judge your choices but over the long haul, I must confess to preferring the odds of a wee better equipment making boom and having the scope do what it needs to do over your choices.
Hypothetical for you - You're going on a guided hunt, and, you've shelled out some dough to do so. Are you taking the ATR and that scope?
Just me maybe, but if I was going to spend the coin I'd want a rifle that I had shot to the point that it was basically automatic...if that rifle was an ATR with a 4.75 Grand Slam(a fantastic optic anyway)...sure why not?
Mauser Rescue Society Founder, President, and Chairman
I don't always shoot Mausers, but when I do...I prefer VZ-24s.
Somehow, despite the obvious disadvantages when compared to all the "better" rifles, scopes, and calibers out there, after shooting at a dozen or so deer, it has yet to miss a deer, or require two shots on one.
Taint here to judge your choices but over the long haul, I must confess to preferring the odds of a wee better equipment making boom and having the scope do what it needs to do over your choices.
Hypothetical for you - You're going on a guided hunt, and, you've shelled out some dough to do so. Are you taking the ATR and that scope?
Just me maybe, but if I was going to spend the coin I'd want a rifle that I had shot to the point that it was basically automatic...if that rifle was an ATR with a 4.75 Grand Slam(a fantastic optic anyway)...sure why not?
Perhhaps I shouldn't, but just fer schitz n giggles.............
Maybe it's because I'm left handed and think a bit different than some (don't make me right or them wrong, just different) I tend to view things from a different perspective.
I love inexpensive. I detest cheap.
Long ago I realized that the memory of poor quality or service lingers long after the joy of low price fades.
So, if you could get paid to own and shoot a gun, how in-expensive is that..........
For example.
Here is a package deal I purchased recently. The rifle is a custom Sako AII, Mannlicher stocked carbine chambered for 7mm-08. It was smithed by ID&T Custom Guns. A friend of mine says their rifles start at $3,000. The dealer from whom I purchased it indicated that the original owner paid $3,000 for the rifle. It really don't matter, cause it is only "worth" what someone will pay. This package came with Leupold Sako Rings, Leupold LPS 1.5-6 x 32 Scope (30mm tube), five boxes (500) Hornady 139 gr. SP bullets, 1 box (100) Hornady 139 gr. Interlocks, one box, (100) 140 gr. Sierra Spitzer BT Game Kings, one box of Hornady Super Performance loaded Ammo (139gr SST) 300 pieces of brass (in 20 round MTM slip cases) and a set of reloading dies. I paid $1,500 delivered and a $30 transfer fee.
Now I can both enjoy it and hunt it, and should I desire, part it out. If I part it out I can most likely get $1500 for the rifle, $550 for the scope, $30 for the rings $105 ($15 each per box)for the bullets, $180($30 for each bag of 50) for the brass and $20 for the dies.
So if my math is correct, I could most likely sell the components for $2,385. So say potentially an $850 profit.
Say I kept the rifle for a year, hunted it one season and didn't totally bung it up by using it as a boat anchor or throwing it into a pile of rocks, then parted it out and sold the components..........
$855 divided by $1,530 equals almost a 55 percent return on my investment. Better than I get at the bank on a CD.
So I prefer to hunt with "investments that shoot".
Is that in-expensive enough?
Once heard a guy say. "ya' don't have to do a hundred things right. All you have to do is one thing right a hundred times."
JAFO,
GWB
PS: I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, have worked all my life. Went broke in the 80's and lost most everything. When I started collecting rifles in the early nineties my first rifle was a Savage 112FS that the stock had been spray painted. I bought it for $175 and the Simmons Scope to top it for $24 IIRC. I've been trading up ever since.
Perhhaps I shouldn't, but just fer schitz n giggles.............
Maybe it's because I'm left handed and think a bit different than some (don't make me right or them wrong, just different) I tend to view things from a different perspective.
I love inexpensive. I detest cheap.
Long ago I realized that the memory of poor quality or service lingers long after the joy of low price fades.
So, if you could get paid to own and shoot a gun, how in-expensive is that..........
For example.
Here is a package deal I purchased recently. The rifle is a custom Sako AII, Mannlicher stocked carbine chambered for 7mm-08. It was smithed by ID&T Custom Guns. A friend of mine says their rifles start at $3,000. The dealer from whom I purchased it indicated that the original owner paid $3,000 for the rifle. It really don't matter, cause it is only "worth" what someone will pay. This package came with Leupold Sako Rings, Leupold LPS 1.5-6 x 32 Scope (30mm tube), five boxes (500) Hornady 139 gr. SP bullets, 1 box (100) Hornady 139 gr. Interlocks, one box, (100) 140 gr. Sierra Spitzer BT Game Kings, one box of Hornady Super Performance loaded Ammo (139gr SST) 300 pieces of brass (in 20 round MTM slip cases) and a set of reloading dies. I paid $1,500 delivered and a $30 transfer fee.
Now I can both enjoy it and hunt it, and should I desire, part it out. If I part it out I can most likely get $1500 for the rifle, $550 for the scope, $30 for the rings $105 ($15 each per box)for the bullets, $180($30 for each bag of 50) for the brass and $20 for the dies.
So if my math is correct, I could most likely sell the components for $2,385. So say potentially an $850 profit.
Say I kept the rifle for a year, hunted it one season and didn't totally bung it up by using it as a boat anchor or throwing it into a pile of rocks, then parted it out and sold the components..........
$855 divided by $1,530 equals almost a 55 percent return on my investment. Better than I get at the bank on a CD.
So I prefer to hunt with "investments that shoot".
Is that in-expensive enough?
Once heard a guy say. "ya' don't have to do a hundred things right. All you have to do is one thing right a hundred times."
JAFO,
GWB
PS: I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, have worked all my life. Went broke in the 80's and lost most everything. When I started collecting rifles in the early nineties my first rifle was a Savage 112FS that the stock had been spray painted. I bought it for $175 and the Simmons Scope to top it for $24 IIRC. I've been trading up ever since.
You lost me at your "left handed" and then I saw a pic of that righty rifle that I'd never shoot left handed...Sorry, not happening with that roll over cheek piece.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Perhhaps I shouldn't, but just fer schitz n giggles.............
Maybe it's because I'm left handed and think a bit different than some (don't make me right or them wrong, just different) I tend to view things from a different perspective.
I love inexpensive. I detest cheap.
Long ago I realized that the memory of poor quality or service lingers long after the joy of low price fades.
So, if you could get paid to own and shoot a gun, how in-expensive is that..........
For example.
Here is a package deal I purchased recently. The rifle is a custom Sako AII, Mannlicher stocked carbine chambered for 7mm-08. It was smithed by ID&T Custom Guns. A friend of mine says their rifles start at $3,000. The dealer from whom I purchased it indicated that the original owner paid $3,000 for the rifle. It really don't matter, cause it is only "worth" what someone will pay. This package came with Leupold Sako Rings, Leupold LPS 1.5-6 x 32 Scope (30mm tube), five boxes (500) Hornady 139 gr. SP bullets, 1 box (100) Hornady 139 gr. Interlocks, one box, (100) 140 gr. Sierra Spitzer BT Game Kings, one box of Hornady Super Performance loaded Ammo (139gr SST) 300 pieces of brass (in 20 round MTM slip cases) and a set of reloading dies. I paid $1,500 delivered and a $30 transfer fee.
Now I can both enjoy it and hunt it, and should I desire, part it out. If I part it out I can most likely get $1500 for the rifle, $550 for the scope, $30 for the rings $105 ($15 each per box)for the bullets, $180($30 for each bag of 50) for the brass and $20 for the dies.
So if my math is correct, I could most likely sell the components for $2,385. So say potentially an $850 profit.
Say I kept the rifle for a year, hunted it one season and didn't totally bung it up by using it as a boat anchor or throwing it into a pile of rocks, then parted it out and sold the components..........
$855 divided by $1,530 equals almost a 55 percent return on my investment. Better than I get at the bank on a CD.
So I prefer to hunt with "investments that shoot".
Is that in-expensive enough?
Once heard a guy say. "ya' don't have to do a hundred things right. All you have to do is one thing right a hundred times."
JAFO,
GWB
PS: I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, have worked all my life. Went broke in the 80's and lost most everything. When I started collecting rifles in the early nineties my first rifle was a Savage 112FS that the stock had been spray painted. I bought it for $175 and the Simmons Scope to top it for $24 IIRC. I've been trading up ever since.
You lost me at your "left handed" and then I saw a pic of that righty rifle that I'd never shoot left handed...Sorry, not happening with that roll over cheek piece.
Yeah, as a lefty that now refuses to hunt righty bolts, that stuck out for me as well. Sell that boat anchor!
Oh, I'm with ya brother - like I said, purely hypothetical. I've long maintained I'd rather be in a game-rich environment with the most humble of equipment than vice versa.
I only asked the hypothetical because a lot of guys change their tunes once there's $$$$ on the line.
Growing up with 3 siblings that all hunted and both my parents, we cobbled together whatever we could to go hunting. Half of it was the old single shot H&R Topper ,20 gauges with rifle lugs, but in those days it was just round balls, referred to as Punkin Balls. Not one of us ever considered not going because we didn't have a better gun. My father hunted with a Marlin 94 in 38-40,my mother used a Winchester 94 in 30-30. Us four kids took what ever was left or we could borrow.
I suspect there still are a lot of families out there in the same predicament.
I built up one custom gun that I had about $2000 in and it didn't kill any more elk and deer than the less expensive ones. It went down the road. Traded for a Bushmaster AR that also went down the road. I have a 96 Swede 6.5 that I paid $69 for and I have about $200 more in it with upgrades. Plus a 6X Leupold scope. It will shoot rings around most factory guns.
The most expensive guns I have are not hunters. Colt SAA in 38-40 worth about $1000 and Marlin 94 in 38-40 worth about $800. Two SXS 12 gage shotguns. An Ithaca NIB and Fox Steringworth, both valued at over a $1000. Those two are wall hangers. I don't have a deer or elk rifle worth more than $600, including the scope on them.
So the question is. Would you stay home and not hunt if all you had was a $200 gun? Bet not.
Last edited by saddlesore; 09/01/14.
If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
With a little time, planning and effort, one can let his assets support him, rather than he support his assets. Then guns and hunting can be at least very inexpensive, and many times profitable.
"There is no crime in being poor, only dressing poorly" .......... Sir Bunny Wigglesworth aka Zorro, the Gay Blade.
or as someone put it more succinctly,
Life's too short to hunt with an ugly gun.... Chick Worthing
With a little time, planning and effort, one can let his assets support him, rather than he support his assets. Then guns and hunting can be at least very inexpensive, and many times profitable.
"There is no crime in being poor, only dressing poorly" .......... Sir Bunny Wigglesworth aka Zorro, the Gay Blade.
or as someone put it more succinctly,
Life's too short to hunt with an ugly gun.... Chick Worthing
Of course, your mileage my vary.
JAFO,
GWB
Thanks for the clarification gdub. I agree..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Tough to trump the humor of a Golf Cart Safari and a Haybale Rifle "critique".
FUNNY schit!...................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
What's the view on ugly, cheap women? I say yes if she could pack a hind quarter. She could bring her Savage Walmart 30-06. I'd even let her do the cooking. I'll keep the fire dim.
I know...I know...she has a real NICE personality.
Laughing!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Saddlesore, I'm in the young kids stage of family life, so the gun collection is way down the priority scale. I don't mind. I get the nice guns thing. My father had several, and I remember how he was overly protective of them.
I hunted with one of his rifles a few times as a teen, and I recall being terrified of dinging the stock, or marring the finish. Terrified was the right word too. I recall several times I fell carrying that gun, and I found a way to put my body between the ground and the gun, so that it didn't get roughed up every time. It wasn't worth it.
When cheap, plastic guns became plentiful, I jumped on them. I'd rather carry a gun where the globe won't explode if it gets banged around, as I hunt a lot of steep nasty stuff, and sometimes thick timber with lots of deadfall. I plan to give the same beater utility guns to my children if they want to hunt.
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Bulk CoreLokts are hard to find here in Canada these days. Too bad as I've had good luck with them in the past. I have a few PPs here that I can load up instead.
Up until recently, I considered myself a connoisseur of cheap scopes. Bushnell Banner was about as expensive as I'd go, and I'd shot probably most of my deer with $30 scopes.
I'm reforming. I started after last season pulling off cheap scopes and putting on something better.
I bought a Bushnell Elite 3-9X40 for my new Hawkeye and couple new Bushnell Banner 3-9X40 and Bushnell Trophy 4-12X40. I have to report they were all worth it.
I have had 1 scope just plain fall apart. That was a Simmons that came on KYHillChick's Savage 110 package. It just all fell apart one day. That has been the only real tragedy. I'm still a little bitter about that one.
What a $100 or $200 scope seems to buy you over a $30 scope is usually a bit more subtle. For instance, my $30 Simmons is 30-some years old. It has always held a zero, but when I make minor adjustments, everything goes haywire. It's because 1) The clicks are not even. 1 click may be 1/4", but 8 clicks might be more like 5 inches. 2) Reversing the clicks is not the same; I may go 5 clicks in one direction and then put it back 5 clicks later and the POA is way off.
as a result, I sometimes have to go chasing my zero all afternoon. In the end, I decided the cost of the ammo I would save would justify a better scope.
Another thing I've noticed about these newer scopes has been glare. I have been looking right at a buck on Opening Day, thrown up my rifle and all I've seen is sun glare. I've tested all these new scopes-- just can't seem to repeat the problem with them.
The other big thing is how clear the new scopes are to the old cheap ones. I had a 80's vintage $100 Bushnell Banner 4-12X40 on my Win 70. It was my best scope for low light. I was still having to stop hunting a good 10 minutes before the end of legal hunting, because deer were disappearing into a foggy murk. My new 3-9X40 Bushnell Elite keeps it crisp. Amazingly, on my treestand gun, a Savage99, I replaced the $30 Simmons with a Bushnell Banner 3-9X40-- less than $70 and I have had similar luck early in the morning. By swapping all these scopes, I've added 20 minutes of hunting time-- and here I thought it was a middle-age thing with my eyes!
Well, it probably is a middle age thing. Truth is my eyes are getting worse as I age, and I either had to step up to better optics or start contemplating giving up.
Good schit sells itself and Joe Average's "experience" is hilarious.
Congratulations?...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I was talking to a chap who works in a gun shop here in town and used to work for Lightforce here in it's home town......a very experienced guy with firearms.
Many folk come into the shop where he works and buy the cheaper rifles - and he cringes that he has to take their money , knowing he is selling them schit......he says they would be better off buying a lightly used gun of better make than the el cheapo.....cause after a few months they are back with all sorts of issues . Whether its the gun itself of their stupidity / lack of maintenance who knows....but the condition of the rifle speaks for itself......
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Hang a pic of the BEST Beastie,which best quantifies that Lifetime of "experience"/"results".
Laughing!............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Do any of you other guys actually go and kill stuff, grill it, and eat it, without using the forum's "preferred" boutique rifle and scope combo?
No, why would I want to?
Why not?
Heck, for some people, financial constraints make spending a boat-load of money to shoot some deer at 50-75 yards irresponsible in terms of family obligations.
I am much more impressed by someone who can get 'er done with the simple minimum than I am by a gear whore. Heck, that applies even more so to hockey for me than hunting. I damn sure don't look down on somebody for hunting with less than a 1200 dollar rifle and 500 dollar scope, especially if they are trying to feed a family or send kids to college.
Stupidity,do tend to appeal most...to STUPID phuqqers. What do you "do" for a "living" again? Laughing!
FUNNY how that works.
Laughing!..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
No need to be THAT phuqqing ashamed of your "vocation". Just kidding...it's WELL founded. Laughing!
Your Imagination is nearly as phuqqing funny,as your Pretend.
Keep doing your "best",if only for the humor.
Laughing!..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
My bad there,Lever Looker...what do you "do" for a "living" again?
Embellish,as you MUST.
Laughing!.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
"Hint", I'm a doosh bag, "laughing"� get a new schtick A-hole, your current one is lacking. Big stick, more like small _ick. What an Azz clown� Love turd ball cyber pukes like you� all you can do is criticize instead of making any type of contribution, short of your small johnson and low self esteem. I kicked a guys zzz just like you in junior high behind the bleachers, he was whacking off to the latest issue of chunky adzes� oh! I'm growing tired of your sniping limp _ick. Oh, and GFY, again...
Your Imagination is nearly as phuqqing funny,as your Pretend.
I am imagining and pretending you were in the BMP when I shot it. Unfortunately, I know it 'taint true, as the Iraqi army also has a height requirement.
Have a great night. Don't forget to puke in the toilet or outside when the bottle's done.....
Do any of you other guys actually go and kill stuff, grill it, and eat it, without using the forum's "preferred" boutique rifle and scope combo?
No, why would I want to?
Why not?
Heck, for some people, financial constraints make spending a boat-load of money to shoot some deer at 50-75 yards irresponsible in terms of family obligations.
I am much more impressed by someone who can get 'er done with the simple minimum than I am by a gear whore. Heck, that applies even more so to hockey for me than hunting. I damn sure don't look down on somebody for hunting with less than a 1200 dollar rifle and 500 dollar scope, especially if they are trying to feed a family or send kids to college.
[insert Stickism about whine and pretend here]
Why are you more impressed by people that "get er done" with a "simple minimum"? I'm curious as to what the "simple minimum" is. To some a nice pre 64 M70 in a Mcmillan with a good fixed scope could be considered "simple minimum", to others a Montucky with the same fixed scope, to others a nice new insert X brand rifle. I'm not sure the "point" of this long ass thread other then a space for you to pontificate on what you think is "simple and minimum" and then to argue with anyone having a different opinion.
I think it's cool when people shoot rifles that make THEM happy and hunt (if that's their thing) and eat the harvest, and talk about the rifles that make THEM happy without worrying about what other people think.
I'll feign my "surprise" that yet another Clueless Phuqqing Texan got horned up and went Cock Talking.
I'm HAPPY that your Imagination grants you enough Pretend,that you think you can kick my ass.
FUNNY schit...you poor poor Cluelesss Phuqq!
Wow...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I think it's cool when people shoot rifles that make THEM happy and hunt (if that's their thing) and eat the harvest, and talk about the rifles that make THEM happy without worrying about what other people think.
Yup, me too. And, if you read the thread, you'll meet someone who feels a need to try and chit all over anyone who doesn't do it his way.
Lotta cool pics and stories in here. Too bad the resident troll can't stick to pontificating in the threads relevant to his tiny, nay, miniscule little niche in the shooting universe.
Who schits on you,more than YOU do...with your phuqqing AMAZING Stupidity? Do tell. Laughing!
Funny how it's ALWAYS someone else's "fault".
I mean,not that there's alotta openings for pointy-headed mouth open drooling dumbphuqqs.
Laughing!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I do VERY much enjoy the Secret Squirrel dreaded "we" Clause.
You poor poor(literally) STUPID Kchunt.
Wow....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Such amazing "perceptions" by you,enable you to "do" your "job".
Laughing!....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Do any of you other guys actually go and kill stuff, grill it, and eat it, without using the forum's "preferred" boutique rifle and scope combo?
No, why would I want to?
Why not?
Heck, for some people, financial constraints make spending a boat-load of money to shoot some deer at 50-75 yards irresponsible in terms of family obligations.
I am much more impressed by someone who can get 'er done with the simple minimum than I am by a gear whore. Heck, that applies even more so to hockey for me than hunting. I damn sure don't look down on somebody for hunting with less than a 1200 dollar rifle and 500 dollar scope, especially if they are trying to feed a family or send kids to college.
[insert Stickism about whine and pretend here]
Who looks down on people with a less then $1200 rig ? I couldn't give a flying [bleep] what some one else uses. And if a person can't afford a $1200 dollar rifle because they have to put a kid through college that's their issue. It called living with in your means .
She can only do the best she can,with what incredibly phuqqing little she has to work with.
Funny how it actually works.................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've put meat in the freezer with a club.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Punched alotta dinner in the ear too...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I've never seen/heard of it...though I'm not a Fence Guru..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Your fascination with adolescents,is a touch alarming.
I reckon you're Catholic?
Laughing!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Not sure how to contextify cheap. $60-something purchased good guns back in the '50s and '60s. Killed a bunch of critters with cheap and not so cheap. Dunno it matters much to me either. Don't much think dollar signs kill better or worse than FPE.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
Cost is moot,integrity ain't and the dollars seldom align.
Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You're funnier though,because you are trying your best,not to be.
Laughing!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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