Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Yet another Vaccine-Denier is getting big airtime on the Internet... again...

I hear that a lot among people who've never had any sort of vaccination, not even in infancy.

Hmmmmm. Well this "narrative" might have held some water except that the vaccinations against smallpox and polio went so well. There are folks out there who are abnormally sensitive to just about anything. That is a fact of life. There ar also some who have very very powerful immune systems. Both together represent a rather small portion of humanity so all the others benefit greatly from vaccinations.

jwp, redneck, poboy... if you recall what I wrote in the OP, you'll recall that at no time did I suggest that folks who don't get themselves a flu vaccine are a problem. You're adults, you have the right to make that choice, and I fully support your right to not get a Fluvax.

But that's not what this is about. This thread was started to point out that the anti-vaccine crowd is led by fake scientists and fake experts who play on folks' fears to erode support for mass vaccination programs. The overwhelming evidence & consensus among TRUE experts is that mass vaccination programs work: they reduce mortality and morbidity due to infectious diseases and they do so with exemplary safety.

That's an easy record to fake when the medical profession drags its feet when it comes to identifying serious complications as being vaccine related.

When my mom developed Guillain-Barre in reaction to her flu vaccine, the staff neurologist refused to indicate the flu vaccine as the cause. My dad happened to be friends with a top administrator at the hospital (a cardiologist associate), whom he contacted about it. Only then did the staff neurologist agree to indicate that it was a reaction to the flu vaccine. Most folks, however, don't have a close relative who's a doctor with connections at the hospital where they're being treated, so it's a very reasonable conclusion to draw that most bad reactions to flu vaccines go unreported, and thus don't appear on the safety statistics you cite.

Medical professionals are psychologically predisposed against drawing the conclusion that serious medical conditions might be associated with a treatment that they've personally recommended in the past to patients as safe.

That's an easy claim to make considering we can't see her chart.

Not to mention, even in 2010, the last report I've seen on GBS versus the 70's swine flu outbreak, people still don't know the cause of GBS in general, let alone has another statistical anomaly of flu vaccine versus GBS been shown.

Given the isolated spike, some theories hold that the particular strain of flu in question may have been more of a factor than the vaccine.

Not disputing what you posted or that vaccines do not serve a purpose for many, which of course they do. I was simply making a statement that I never taken any type of vaccine the same for the majority of my family.

Hawk, this is COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!!!

You have yet to come up with any credible reports/studies/reviews that support your assertions... everything you've EVER cited is personal experience and the occasional piece of junk science from one of the pseudo-science websites you favor.

There is a huge body of credible peer-reviewed evidence supporting the efficacy and safety of vaccines which you are of course completely unable to refute, so you put up a BULLSHIT post like this one. Again.

Aside from a few bad apples here and there, doctors are NOT invested in specific treatments in any real way. For example, we recommended estrogen replacement for menopausal women for years, until the WHI and Nurses Study came out showing links between estrogen supplements and certain cancers, heart disease, and stroke. Most doctors immediately about-faced and stopped prescribing HRT. (As it happens, the WHI and Nurses' Study were both wrong, and both have recanted their previous findings, but you don't read that on the Front Page... after all, any cub reporter knows that if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead...)

Never thought you were disputing, John, and I'm more than pleased to hear of your continued good health. Got any handgun hunting plans for this fall?

Too busy with work and the horses at this time. I may be able to get s bit of hunting in here at home.

Not sure what websites you're referring to, but the statement quoted above bears the authority of the person who composed it, i.e., myself, a holder of a Master's Degree in clinical psychology, as a result of which, I enjoy a certain expert-level of understanding of human motivation.

I'm [bleep] crying

You're also a holder of a Doctor of Law degree, IIRC, which allows you to enjoy a certain expert-level of understanding of the law.

Tell us, in your capacity as a legal expert, do you think a judge would accept you as an expert witness regarding human motivation based on the mere fact that you have a Masters Degree in clinical psychology?

Or would there have to be something more to your CV before that could ever happen?

Classic.

Your an expert.

It's such a [bleep] lay up I tripped on my laces enroute to the basket.

By the way, meet any abortion bombers having their rights trampled lately?

Apparently the masters degree doesn't cover vetting source material.

Like this topic perhaps?

I'm thinking if the judge saw a few of the threads he started here he would commit him in a straight jacket

Classic..

I wonder what level of motivation there is for someone that continually posts unsubstantiated [bleep]?

Is there a Masters in Clinical Psychology here that can help me out on that one?

I am surprised at you. Don't you know that when administering the flu shot they are secretly placing a small tracking microchip in your body? It then reports home to the mothership.

I don't have a masters in Clinical Psychology, nor did I stay at a Holliday Inn last night but i'll take a stab at it

His motivation is that he covets the KOTY award

He is also skilled in the arts of war and military tactics.

Didn't Longshanks chuck that [bleep] out the window in Braveheart?