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I was bullshitting.

I think you are right and I would carry a pocket sized pistol along with my 1911 if I had one.

The operative word in the original question about 9mm or 45 was 'concealed carry'. The number of rounds will be determined by what can be 'concealed'. In my case that happens to be a Kahr MK9 9mm. I am 6'1 and around 290lbs. I live in southern Arizona and my normal dress is basically what I have on right now - a pair of jeans bermuda shorts and a knit pullover shirt. My Kahr Mk9 fits neatly in my right front pocket and is fully concealed. I have found no way to conceal anything much larger anywhere on my person that was in the least comfortable. I have many other handguns of larger caliber but have found with the way I normally dress there is no comfortable way to carry them.

As far as work policy goes, I am the president of the company, the vice president calls me Dad and he shoots a 1911. We will NOT have silly rules about not carrying at work.

Has anybody been watching the reports about the recent shooting @ FSU?

The whole library sheltered in place and "Tweeted" updates. Lots of them wrote farewell letters to their family.

#Vaginas. #Buyafugginggun.



Travis

If you think you might need 16 rounds of 9mm carry a 12 bore shotgun instead.

If you think you might need 10 rounds of .45 ACP, carry a 20 gauge shotgun.

This from another forum.

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So saw some news on the FSU shooter. His name was released by a confidential informant. Now all of a sudden there is a right to privacy for some people who go off the rails and shoot things up. I'm pretty sure I understand why.

Scroll down for Myron May, the shooter: http://www.aacsf.org/recipients.htm

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Apparently he was a good kid, the best ever. I swear I have never had a tinfoil hat on but this cat cannot be for real. Speech tonight on unconstitutional executive action will get buried behind this, Ferguson verdict, any anything else they can think of in the next few hours. It does appear that team Barry is going all in. The next two years are going to push this country to the edge.

My wife says all my skills are gross. I kind of like that.

mike r

RE carrying hardball vs whatever....

I am very different than lots of folks.

For that reason I carry a 45 because I like it, and can carry it. And in a few bullseye sports actually shot the 45 slightly better than the 9mm due to differing TYPES of recoil.

Me... 45. ammo.. Whatever happens to be in the mags that I grab on the way out the door. Might be HP. Might even be a few full of the old black talon. MIght be hardball. Might be my reloads with cast bullets.

Bottom line its going to be shot placement anyway. Though you can't count out a bullet that starts larger unexpanded than another.

With all that said..... I"d carry the wifes NAA 22 LR that she packs for snakes around the yard, I"d carry it long before carrying nothing.

I have shot some game with 45. With a few different bullets. I have not shot anything other than paper with the 9mm.
I was not impressed with reaction to being hit with a 45 by pigs or deer, though all died and in a reasonable amount of time, none were DRT.

I fail to see that a 9mm would impress me more. BUT I could be wrong.

Carry what you have. That you like. That you shoot WELL or better than WELL, and practice with. Have your mental skills in order better than your gun skills. All will work out.

Why is it that some people feel they have to justify their cartridge choice over, and over, and over again?

Is it a sense of superiority or insecurity brought on by some sense of inferiority?

The FBI is switching back to 9mm, and in the past 25 years the FBI has taken a very scientific, measured approach to their cartridge/load selection. They trust the data.

Most of the time I carry a .45 ACP, not because I feel it gives me any sort of edge, but because I love the gun I carry; it meets all of my personal needs.

But there are times I'm carrying a .38 Special or a 9mm. I personally (and this is just me) never feel any less armed because my cartridge has changed. But there are times where I feel less armed because the gun has changed. Like when I'm carrying a J or D frame .38 Special. Modern .38 Special +P is well proven, I know it will do the job. But when I go from full sized auto to tiny revolver my confidence goes down just because the small frame revolvers are so much more difficult to shoot well. I can hit a man sized target out to 100 yards with my J & D frames, but I realize that it takes FAR more concentration to do so with a snubbie than it takes with the auto.

What I'm getting at is, it's not the cartridge I worry about. It's really not so much the gun I worry about. What I worry about it that loose nut behind the trigger. That is, and always will be THE most significant factor.

I wouldn't either.

Trolling? why, because I asked what *I* thought? (and that's really all that matters). Not linear? do you have a reference to back that up? I really DGAF, but I do wonder why the USMC opted to return to the 45...

USMC shoots hardball, not modern hollow points.

duh. It still makes sense, even to the most elemental among us, that if one is admittedly superior to the other with one type of ammunition (ball), then it makes logical sense the difference would remain constant with HP ammo and not just enhance one.

Your thinking is linear, where this problem is better addressed with Calculus. Velocity effect expansion characteristics. The higher velocity 9mm gains more from modern bullets then the slower .45. Throw in the second variable, magazine size, and old fashioned linear reasoning may not be up to the task.

Well said.

You need a hand-filling K-Frame .38 Special.

Hey you're pretty good; that's right. (not being a smart arse, few actually pick up on that)

B U T - Even though the benefits of JHP are greater for the 9mm than the .45 ACP, the end diameter of .45 ACP still tends to be .65-.70 diameter, whereas your average 9mm JHP rarely makes it to .60 (my direct observations of doing actual ballistic testing with Knox & Kind ballistic gelatin, several pistols in multiple calibers and at least 6 different loads for each caliber). So even though the increase in size is greater with the 9mm, the end diameter is still larger with the .45 ACP.

Now to something relevant...Does it matter?
All evidence points to the fact that the end result of wound cavities and people shot on the street that the two rounds are essentially indistinguishable. With that larger frontal diameter, the .45 ACP tends to penetrate less, and the smaller/faster 9mm tends to penetrate more. Actual tissue destroyed tends to be close enough to the same that I've yet to see any convincing data to suggest what tiny difference actually matters on a live target.

It's just like those people who try to tell you a .30-06 is "so much better" than a .270...hogwash!!

If a guy only feels warm and fuzzy with a .45 ACP, who cares? Let him shoot the .45 ACP and be done with it.

If some guy says he'll only walk the streets with 15 or more rounds per magazine because he thinks he will take on the entire Sinaloa cartel, who cares (unless he misses with all 15 rounds), take your 9mm and be happy.

I could actually see the extra speed of the 9 coming into play...

But couldn't we get tehre with 165ish 45 bullets and still have a wider bullet to start with... and then it expands and gives and temporary wound cavity(which I"ve always doubted really exists with almost all handgun rounds)

Kevin, if we didn't justify our rounds, there would be nothign to talk about...

Now you've lost sectional density. There's no free lunch.