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An outdoors laboratory with a multitude of variables is not the best place to come to an absolute conclusion. The only exception is if you convinced a .gov to give you grant money to study the impossible.


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Originally Posted by roundoak
An outdoors laboratory with a multitude of variables is not the best place to come to an absolute conclusion.


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deflave: "Faster death" is an elusive standard, and hard to prove... smile

Death of game animals is sometimes an elusive thing and hard to replicate precisely one shot to the next...we don't get to "kill" the same animal several times to prove a point since no two shots are ever precisely the same.What we can hope for is to see a general trend....unless of course you are a cull hunter in Oz or Africa but few of us get to do that sort of thing.

JWP called me this morning to remind me of this,and said maybe a better way of looking at this is as creating more cavitation,more extensive wounding....which
sometimes leads to faster death...at least as far as BG is concerned.

It may be helpful to look at the whole twist and terminal performance thing as a "contributing factor" rather than "sole cause"....but lots of people have noticed it over the years,as far back as John Jobson, who observed it and wrote about it 3-4 decades ago.

This my way of saying I agree with you BTW. smile


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From another post on the Campfire...

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I just finished W.D.M. Bell's "The Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter" and in the chapter on "Rifles", he writes...

�The thing that did the most for my rifle shooting was, I believe, the fact that I always carried my own rifle. Constant handling, constant aiming, constant Swedish drill with it, and then when it was required there it was ready and pointing true. Never once did I think I needed a rifle with fast twist�




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Originally Posted by shrapnel


From another post on the Campfire...

Originally Posted by Stump Buster
I just finished W.D.M. Bell's "The Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter" and in the chapter on "Rifles", he writes...

�The thing that did the most for my rifle shooting was, I believe, the fact that I always carried my own rifle. Constant handling, constant aiming, constant Swedish drill with it, and then when it was required there it was ready and pointing true. Never once did I think I needed a rifle with fast twist�




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Originally Posted by Stump Buster
I just finished W.D.M. Bell's "The Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter" and in the chapter on "Rifles", he writes...

�The thing that did the most for my rifle shooting was, I believe, the fact that I always carried my own rifle. Constant handling, constant aiming, constant Swedish drill with it, and then when it was required there it was ready and pointing true.�


Does anyone know what the "Swedish Drill" consists of? Is it the transition from a slung rifle into to shooting position or something entirely different. I don't recall Bell ever mentioning slings on his rifles, so I think he may be referring to something else.

Just curious if anyone is familiar with this term.

THANKS,

Stump


PS - The book is excellent! Took me a while to find it, but glad I was able to finally track it down.

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Doesn't mention twist.



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So, what's your point?


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I'm sure you wouldn't want inaccurate info to become perception.



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I can't help if the original post wasn't complete...


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I've never see anything "lift" or "splode" rabbits better than a 308 shooting 150g Core Lokts. All from a 1-12 twist.

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O.K. But I want my sweater back...


I guess that beats multiple legholds and the pellet gun treatment.



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Originally Posted by roundoak
An outdoors laboratory with a multitude of variables is not the best place to come to an absolute conclusion. The only exception is if you convinced a .gov to give you grant money to study the impossible.


I'm pretty sure people can observe reality without a laboratory.

But there will always be a handful of people that insist there is no difference in 200fps, and there will always be a handful of people that insist plastic tip bullets "don't do anything different" and there will always be a handful of people that need a pack of PhD's and a laboratory to see the advantages of a faster twist.



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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Originally Posted by bobnob17
I've never see anything "lift" or "splode" rabbits better than a 308 shooting 150g Core Lokts. All from a 1-12 twist.


Man that sucks.



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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by deflave
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I've never see anything "lift" or "splode" rabbits better than a 308 shooting 150g Core Lokts. All from a 1-12 twist.


Man that sucks.



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When I was quite young perhaps 8 years old, I saw a cotton tail hit with a 125 grain bullet out of an 06 at about across the ditch range. Afterwards the rabbit's intestines were hanging from the power line over head and a red cloud where the rabbit used to be. Very impressive for a youngster. Couldn't wait till I got my 06.

Regrading slow twist vs. fast twist: The effect might be that a slow twist with barely stable bullet may tumble when changes of medium and a fast twist might not. But as stated the bullet rotates how many times through an animal??

Or looked at another way, Say the bullet is about to blow up like a sx bullet out of a 22-250. And it hits the target....

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Originally Posted by bobnob17

Yeah I know. On a Mauser action and all. But I make do.


I'm sure you'll find a job sooner or later.




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Originally Posted by Bugger


Regrading slow twist vs. fast twist: The effect might be that a slow twist with barely stable bullet may tumble when changes of medium and a fast twist might not. But as stated the bullet rotates how many times through an animal??



That's for nerds to figure out.



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Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by roundoak
An outdoors laboratory with a multitude of variables is not the best place to come to an absolute conclusion. The only exception is if you convinced a .gov to give you grant money to study the impossible.


I'm pretty sure people can observe reality without a laboratory.

But there will always be a handful of people that insist there is no difference in 200fps, and there will always be a handful of people that insist plastic tip bullets "don't do anything different" and there will always be a handful of people that need a pack of PhD's and a laboratory to see the advantages of a faster twist.



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That is not a good way to start out trying to make a point. "pretty sure" - Guessing won't cut it.


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Originally Posted by roundoak

That is not a good way to start out trying to make a point. "pretty sure" - Guessing won't cut it.


Cuts it just fine from where I sit.

I have all the tools needed to acquire the empirical data. All you've got is jack+schit.



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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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