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most anarchists believe they're libertarians. SPOT ON.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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In reading the stop light thread I was wondering if there was ever a reason to give consent to have your vehicle voluntarily searched. What could be the downside of making the Leo produce a search warrant outlining what exactly they were looking for?
I'm not trying to bash cops but truly curious about what possible benefit it could be to me to consent to a search? If you are driving commercial then consent or go to jail. Any officer, ant time, no cause needed. Get your CDL and you become a sub form of human filth whit no rights.
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I'll concede 257 Wby's point: I have never been asked. Hell, I've only been stopped once in the half century since I was 16. And that cop noted the concealed carry notation on my license, told me to be a little more aware of the speed limit (I think I was 12 mph over on a strange road) and waved me on.
If I were stopped and asked, it would probably depend on how much of that day I was willing to lose.
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This site (24hourcampfire) seems to be getting more and more paranoid and anti-establishment types on it every year - thats NOT a good thing and is quite puzzling to me. That is because there is thin line between anarchy and libertarianism and unfortunately, most anarchists believe they're libertarians. Never been asked for a search, but would never consent. I have nothing to hide, but they also have no reason to remotely suspect me of anything. My rap sheet consists of exactly 1 speeding ticket in the last several decades. So consenting would have absolutely zero benefit for me, and they'd probably manage to find my lost Mepps and then need a tetanus shot.
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Never. No searches without a valid warrant.
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4321: He likes the ACOG quite a bit. I had a little tomfoolery in getting it shipped his way, but that's USPS. The seller is a stand-up guy, despite his views on fitness  Now if I could only convince his wife to be a republican....  Whatever you are doing appears to be working for you.
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The SCOTUS has ruled that a warrant isn't needed for a vehicle, just consent or probable cause.
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If probable cause is all that's needed, then why ask for permission?
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." --Robert Duvall.
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Because you don't have probable cause.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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I admit that I go out of my way of recent to buy non-registered firearms (obama and holder proof) as opposed to 4473'ed guns but that is not paranoia nor is it a crime!
If you are not a criminal then what possible harm would befall you if you allowed a search of yourself, your vehicle or your home?
Paranoia runs deep
You go out of your way to buy non-registered firearms. That isn't paranoia nor a crime, Okay. (**See Second Amendment) A law abiding citizen taking exception to having their private property searched for no other reason than they can be searched, is neither paranoia nor a crime either. (**See Fourth Amendment) What's good for the goose...
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PC has to be identified prior to the search?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Because you don't have probable cause. Right, and sometimes we ask for consent, even when we have probable cause, just for the dialog.
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PC has to be identified prior to the search? Yes, unless it's consensual.
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If probable cause is all that's needed, then why ask for permission? Cause trying to invent new and entertaining "probable causes" makes their heads hurt?
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Ok that makes sense. So you give the driver a form outlining the reason for probable cause and the specifics of what you're looking for?
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I wouldn't care but I'd insist on retaining control of any donuts that might be on board.
And they'd have to promise not to spill my beer.
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In reading the stop light thread I was wondering if there was ever a reason to give consent to have your vehicle voluntarily searched. What could be the downside of making the Leo produce a search warrant outlining what exactly they were looking for?
I'm not trying to bash cops but truly curious about what possible benefit it could be to me to consent to a search? I say always demand a search warrant. Without a search warrant they could always plant evidence to entrap you. Never assume the cops are your friend. Cops always serve their master, the State. Flame away!!!!!!
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Ok that makes sense. So you give the driver a form outlining the reason for probable cause and the specifics of what you're looking for? No, when we have probable cause, we remove them from the vehicle and search. I don't know about other agencies, but we usually have the driver sign a form when consent is given, just in case the recorders don't work. (Which is often.)
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The SCOTUS has ruled that a warrant isn't needed for a vehicle, just consent or probable cause. Okay, I don't consent and you don't have probable cause. Now what?
Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Anonymous
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In reading the stop light thread I was wondering if there was ever a reason to give consent to have your vehicle voluntarily searched. What could be the downside of making the Leo produce a search warrant outlining what exactly they were looking for?
I'm not trying to bash cops but truly curious about what possible benefit it could be to me to consent to a search? I say always demand a search warrant. Without a search warrant they could always plant evidence to entrap you. Never assume the cops are your friend. Cops always serve their master, the State. Flame away!!!!!! No flame...but there is never need to obtain a search warrant on a vehicle that is currently being operated.
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