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Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? kaywoodie #9559258 01/30/15
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 16,000 arizona R RoninPhx Campfire Ranger
RoninPhx Campfire Ranger R Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 16,000 arizona	Originally Posted by kaywoodie Originally Posted by RoninPhx i am afraid kaywoodie, you are always going to have toys i covet. i was looking at a 1873 winchester today in 44.40, you don't want to know the price tag. Ron, that one belongs to a friend! I don't have anything crew served! Or that big and heavy! key word, crew served, big and heavy. As apposed to ?????? you need to find me a rear buckhorn sight for a remington 141 by the way. THE BIRTH PLACE OF GERONIMO

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? RoninPhx #9559263 01/30/15
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,670 Likes: 1 NW Nevada GunGeek OP Campfire Ranger
OP GunGeek Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,670 Likes: 1 NW Nevada	Originally Posted by RoninPhx The WWII versions would not accept the drum mags of the 1921 and 1928, and were much more cheaply made. The original Thompson/Blish design was WAY more complicated than any SMG needed to be. The M1 & M1A1 were not only significantly cheaper to manufacture, but they were significantly more reliable as well.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559283 01/30/15
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,612 Likes: 1 Santa Clara CA, USA ConradCA Campfire Outfitter
ConradCA Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,612 Likes: 1 Santa Clara CA, USA

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? RoninPhx #9559312 01/30/15
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,630 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas K kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana
kaywoodie Campfire 'Bwana K Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 31,630 Likes: 5 Fall Creek Blanco Co. Texas	Originally Posted by RoninPhx Originally Posted by kaywoodie Originally Posted by RoninPhx i am afraid kaywoodie, you are always going to have toys i covet. i was looking at a 1873 winchester today in 44.40, you don't want to know the price tag. Ron, that one belongs to a friend! I don't have anything crew served! Or that big and heavy! key word, crew served, big and heavy. As apposed to ?????? you need to find me a rear buckhorn sight for a remington 141 by the way. Would if I could, Ron! I had to quit due to the current family situation!!! Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester "Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored." WS

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? kaywoodie #9559325 01/30/15
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,675 Oklahoma City S Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker
Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,675 Oklahoma City	One of my uncles carried and used a Thompson in France & Austria in '44 & '45, almost certainly an M1 or M1A1 so that's what I'd want. One memorable line I recall: "We knew we were in for a fight, but I had a Thompson and I knew I could knock 'em over." God rest his soul, not many like him left. 'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett) SotG

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Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? rockinbbar #9559341 01/30/15
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 52,680 North of Liberalism in Wyoming eh76 Campfire Kahuna
eh76 Campfire Kahuna Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 52,680 North of Liberalism in Wyoming	Originally Posted by rockinbbar Of course .22 lr was avl. in America at one time.... I got to shoot one of those years ago. Fun gun! Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? eh76 #9559406 01/30/15
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,670 Likes: 1 NW Nevada GunGeek OP Campfire Ranger
OP GunGeek Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,670 Likes: 1 NW Nevada	American 180 is a super fun SMG to shoot. A friend of mine had 3 of them, even one with the original laser sight that looked like a 2x4 slung under the barrel. The one with the laser sight was from some correctional facility, but I can't recall which. I got to shoot one, it was way too much fun. He told me that there was something about them that could cause them to fire out of battery (he said that was why the correctional facility stopped using them), and one of his magazines was totaled when he blew a case. All I know is, that was one seriously fun SMG to shoot.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559417 01/30/15
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 132 Ottaweird N noodlz Campfire Member
noodlz Campfire Member N Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 132 Ottaweird	Lead build up in the chamber was a problem with them.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559430 01/30/15
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 10,435 Likes: 1 The Treasure State Dave_Skinner Campfire Outfitter
Dave_Skinner Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2003 Posts: 10,435 Likes: 1 The Treasure State	Probably STG 44, FAL, jungle BM 59. But if I could have just one, a BREN or the ZB 26 it's based upon. Up hills slow, Down hills fast Tonnage first and Safety last.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559438 01/30/15
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,916 Time to be someplace else 2 284LUVR Campfire Ranger
284LUVR Campfire Ranger 2 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,916 Time to be someplace else	Smith &Wesson 76. Much fun to shoot.

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Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? 284LUVR #9559458 01/30/15
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 27,091 Colorado Rocky Mountains mtnsnake Campfire Ranger
mtnsnake Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 27,091 Colorado Rocky Mountains	new hk 121

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559475 01/30/15
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,866 HTTP 404 MojoHand Campfire Outfitter
MojoHand Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,866 HTTP 404	Originally Posted by GunGeek I'm not a big machinegun guy, but my first gunsmithing job ever was working on class 3 weapons, so I gained a few favorites. I would take a brand new MG3 (current version of the MG-42); they are just so damn cool. Not the greatest LMG in the world, but it sure is the funnest I've ever shot. And that 4 second barrel change, that's just brilliant. This....^^^ Or maybe a Mark 48.... Or even one of these. Though the whole electricty thing could be a problem.... It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so... Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe. Stupidity has no average...

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? mtnsnake #9559479 01/30/15
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,040 Valparaiso, IN A ar15a292f Campfire Regular
ar15a292f Campfire Regular A Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,040 Valparaiso, IN	An Uzi or a Beretta PM12S.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? ar15a292f #9559511 01/30/15
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC hillbillybear Campfire Ranger
hillbillybear Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC	MP 5 with a suppressor Member: Clan of the Turdlike People. Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers �If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? hillbillybear #9559550 01/30/15
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OP GunGeek Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,670 Likes: 1 NW Nevada	I just can't garner much love for the MP5. For a year I did LE sales and sold MP5's. They are a finicky be-otch of a sub gun, but they're easy and fun to shoot when they're running. Doing a roller locking mechanism on a SMG is just a dip-chit idea...notice NO ONE copied that for a SMG. But a closed bolt was rather forward thinking of H&K, since it's much easier to to learn to shoot a closed bolt SMG than an open bolt. And since they were really the fist to heavily market a closed bolt SMG, they grabbed up all the special ops teams and sewed up the market before anyone else had anything to offer. The best of the closed bolt SMG's was the Colt 9mm M16. It had better ergonomics, better sights, better magazines, was easier to maintain, more reliable, just as accurate; pretty much better in every way. But I never sold a Colt, because all the LE departments wanted the H&K before they even looked at them. Because that's what the SAS and FBI HRT used.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559559 01/30/15
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	The M16 isn't an SMG, by definition. It wasn't designed around and to shoot a pistol cartridge. Was it modified from the original design to shoot a pistol cartridge? Yes. But it wasn't designed around that cartridge or any other pistol cartridge. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? GunGeek #9559584 01/30/15
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 73,096 Punta Gorda, FL T LEE Campfire Kahuna
T LEE Campfire Kahuna Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 73,096 Punta Gorda, FL	Kulsprutepistol m/45 Swedish "K" Carl Gustave SMG H&K MP5 M-60 George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you! Old cat turd! "Some men just need killing." ~ Clay Allison. I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? bea175 #9559590 01/30/15
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,179 Likes: 16 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,179 Likes: 16 In the Swamps	Looks just like the one once carried. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? T LEE #9559597 01/30/15
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Originally Posted by T LEE Kulsprutepistol m/45 Swedish "K" Carl Gustave SMG H&K MP5 M-60 Oh, the Swedish K... HOW did I forget that one? Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? 1tnhunter #9559600 01/30/15
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,639 Nebraska vapodog Campfire Tracker
vapodog Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,639 Nebraska	Quote If machineguns were legal again, what would be your first one? Something chambered for .22 long rifle......assuming I could get ammo for it...

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