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Is the 223 AI enough for deer #9633942 02/24/15 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 M msuhunter OP Campfire Regular OP msuhunter Campfire Regular M Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 Yes, my buddy eddy bo built me a 223 AI in December 2013. I killed a couple does with it before he passed away. This year i got to try it out on a 215 pound 10 point. 50 yards quartering to me. Hit the on side shoulder (broke it to pieces) and the 64 grain nosler bonded made it to the last rib. 20 yards and it died. I also popped a couple does this year with the 75 amax. One was 180 yards and the other 230 yards. They died too. I expect I will continue to use it even if I'm labeled a stunt shooter.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9633952 02/24/15 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 30,760 Rural Utah USA T tikkanut Campfire 'Bwana tikkanut Campfire 'Bwana T Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 30,760 Rural Utah USA congrats....nice buck......great cartridge ! T R U M P W O N ! U L T R A M A G A !

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9633987 02/24/15 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,111 MonDak V viking Campfire Ranger viking Campfire Ranger V Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,111 MonDak Here we go. But seriously, good shooting.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9634026 02/24/15 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,478 A atse Campfire Regular atse Campfire Regular A Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,478 223 AI is a little bit over kill. I prefer a 222 with 55 sierra's.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9634102 02/24/15 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,651 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,651 ms 55's are way too much in the .222. They are way too hard and will over penetrate. I'm thinking more along the lines of 35 or 40 grs. NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9634751 02/25/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 41,958 Huntn/Fishn Heaven-NW Ontario New_2_99s Campfire 'Bwana New_2_99s Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 41,958 Huntn/Fishn Heaven-NW Ontario Originally Posted by msuhunter Yes, my buddy eddy bo built me a 223 AI in December 2013. I killed a couple does with it before he passed away. This year i got to try it out on a 215 pound 10 point. 50 yards quartering to me. Hit the on side shoulder (broke it to pieces) and the 64 grain nosler bonded made it to the last rib. 20 yards and it died. I also popped a couple does this year with the 75 amax. One was 180 yards and the other 230 yards. They died too. I expect I will continue to use it even if I'm labeled a stunt shooter. Originally Posted by tikkanut congrats....nice buck......great cartridge ! +1 Rock on ! Paul. "Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9648778 03/02/15 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,615 Columbia, S.C. SCGunNut Campfire Tracker SCGunNut Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,615 Columbia, S.C. Haven't you guys realized by now that it is customary to post pics of scantily clad babes when speaking of the .223 AI??

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9648844 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! clearly the .218 Bee is the next big thing. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer SCGunNut #9648875 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by SCGunNut Haven't you guys realized by now that it is customary to post pics of scantily clad babes when speaking of the .223 AI?? Enough for deer? Maybe antelope???? Obligatory babe pic... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9648886 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Of course if I wanted to step up to shooting bigger deer I could use the 222 like my pard does.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9648900 03/02/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State deuced:

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9648902 03/02/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Very nice. Pretty rifle too. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9648905 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by RWE deuced: Yeah but thats one of those "little" southern deer. You definitely need a 223AI for the big northern species..... ( Except for the one my pard deuced......) Stunt shooter. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9648913 03/02/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State Originally Posted by ingwe Yeah but thats one of those "little" southern deer. My wife didn't think it was little when I had her drag it up the hill with me....

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9648918 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky In that regard, the deer I kill get bigger every single year..... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9649677 03/02/15 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,103 NC C coleridge Campfire Regular coleridge Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,103 NC Originally Posted by RWE My wife didn't think it was little when I had her drag it up the hill with to me.... Try this next time...

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9650135 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 B Blackheart Campfire Ranger Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 I've killed quite a few with a .22 WMR. Some with head shots, some with lung shots. None went more than 80 yards before they fell and the head shot ones all went straight down. I guess that makes the WMR "enough" but probably somewhat short of "ideal". I feel the same about the .223, even though I've killed a bunch with it with no losses so far.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9650355 03/02/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by SCGunNut Haven't you guys realized by now that it is customary to post pics of scantily clad babes when speaking of the .223 AI?? Enough for deer? Maybe antelope???? Ingwe, Look carefully at msu's scope. He has a tall elevation turret, (M1?) if it's a Leupy? Hard to tell what it is from that photo. Now, look at yours... I thought one needed an M1/Leupold (? FX-3, 6x42/M1) plus a .223AI to be uber cool here on the Fire... DF Last edited by Dirtfarmer; 03/02/15.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9650529 03/02/15 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,104 Mississippi schoolmarm Campfire Tracker schoolmarm Campfire Tracker Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,104 Mississippi Dang stunt shooter. I was shooting some .223s that I got from ol' Eddybo last week. Sure miss him. He was going to barrel a 700 for me before he went to the Last Shoot.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9651140 03/02/15 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 9,611 Central Texas P powdr Campfire Outfitter powdr Campfire Outfitter P Joined: May 2005 Posts: 9,611 Central Texas The 22-250 has been killin deer in Texas for the last 40 years. Lots of guys use to take them out for does and a big buck would show up...still worked. 55grain Sierra for most. powdr Last edited by powdr; 03/02/15.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9651215 03/02/15 Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 291 D driftless Campfire Member driftless Campfire Member D Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 291 55gr sierras are they one of the better 55gr conventional 22cal bullets for larger game.My rifle does not like the heaver bullets and I do not want to shoot barnes so was wondering what is the toughest 55gr lead and cup bullet?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9651243 03/02/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma I have no doubt that rifle is a shooter when our old bud EddyBo finished working his magic on it, I miss that dude. Congrats on a nice rifle and buck MSU. Gunner Trump Won!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9651252 03/02/15 Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 292 Austin, MN GutshotBuck Campfire Member GutshotBuck Campfire Member Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 292 Austin, MN Why screw around? Why not just get a 22-250 and be done with it? Troll Slayer--Last Best Hope and Lord and Savior of the unwashed masses.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9651336 03/02/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! well, if the regular .223 can do it... 65 grain Sierra "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9651358 03/02/15 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,203 T_Inman Campfire Ranger T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,203 You damn big bore macho numbnuts...try a .204 on for size. C&Cs by necessity as no .204 premiums/bonded/monos are made as far as I know. The Bergers may be fun to try though. The .17 Rem and 25 HPs has worked fine on coyote sized critters, but haven't tried it on deer. Maybe this year.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer driftless #9651871 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by driftless 55gr sierras are they one of the better 55gr conventional 22cal bullets for larger game.My rifle does not like the heaver bullets and I do not want to shoot barnes so was wondering what is the toughest 55gr lead and cup bullet? Have you tried the Nosler Bonded Solid Base 64 gr.? I know it's heavier, but it's short and stubby. It's more about length than weight vs. twist. The 60 gr. Partition is another suggestion. If those will stabilize, you'll like'em. DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer T_Inman #9651874 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Dog_Hunter You damn big bore macho numbnuts...try a .204 on for size. C&Cs by necessity as no .204 premiums/bonded/monos are made as far as I know. The Bergers may be fun to try though. The .17 Rem and 25 HPs has worked fine on coyote sized critters, but haven't tried it on deer. Maybe this year. Yep. I've been waiting for a mono-metal .204. DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9652211 03/03/15 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,615 Columbia, S.C. SCGunNut Campfire Tracker SCGunNut Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,615 Columbia, S.C. .221 Fireball - 45 gr Barnes X

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer SCGunNut #9652224 03/03/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma Originally Posted by SCGunNut .221 Fireball - 45 gr Barnes X Ive got a little 22 Hornet that fires that 45 gr tsx at 2900 fps, gotta try that on deer asap, nice little buck and rifle SCGN. Trump Won!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9652278 03/03/15 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 7,721 TN K Kaleb Campfire Outfitter Kaleb Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 7,721 TN 22 hornet 45gr tsx. Forget speed 13gr lil gun. Works well as does 40gr nbt.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Kaleb #9652298 03/03/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma You're the one that got me thinking my little Hornet rifle will work on deer Kaleb, with that exact pic right there. Trump Won!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Kaleb #9652474 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Kaleb 22 hornet 45gr tsx. Forget speed 13gr lil gun. Works well as does 40gr nbt. I have an early .22 Hornet T/C Contender, Leupy pistol scope, Buehler base and rings. Never thought about using it to kill a deer. Looks like it'll do the job with the right bullet. DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9652644 03/03/15 Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD that wouldn't be legal here, there is a muzzle energy threshold we have to follow. no doubt it kills though. animals care nothing for headstamps. Beware of any old man in a profession where one usually dies young. Calm seas don't make sailors.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer driftless #9652672 03/03/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by driftless 55gr sierras are they one of the better 55gr conventional 22cal bullets for larger game.My rifle does not like the heaver bullets and I do not want to shoot barnes so was wondering what is the toughest 55gr lead and cup bullet? Basic 55 Grain Hornady with cannelure work good.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Colorado1135 #9653000 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Colorado1135 that wouldn't be legal here, there is a muzzle energy threshold we have to follow. no doubt it kills though. animals care nothing for headstamps. Right about bullet over headstamp... It's hard for me to put my 26 Nos down long enough to pick up something else for hogs and WT's. Just too much fun burning lots of gunpowder... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9653135 03/03/15 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... 1Nut Campfire Regular 1Nut Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by driftless 55gr sierras are they one of the better 55gr conventional 22cal bullets for larger game.My rifle does not like the heaver bullets and I do not want to shoot barnes so was wondering what is the toughest 55gr lead and cup bullet? Have you tried the Nosler Bonded Solid Base 64 gr.? I know it's heavier, but it's short and stubby. It's more about length than weight vs. twist. The 60 gr. Partition is another suggestion. If those will stabilize, you'll like'em. DF I've used the 64 Nosler Solid Base and the Speer 69 GK with much success out of my 9 twist 77 Hawkeye 223 Rem. Seems by some accounts that I may be overgunned. Nut Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9653157 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Naw, you not overgunned... 9 twist is a slam dunk. I think someone mentioned a .22-250 and those are sometimes 12 or 14 twist. If the 64 BSB will stabilize, that's a good choice for most small to mid sized critters, as is the 60 NPT. DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9653176 03/03/15 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... 1Nut Campfire Regular 1Nut Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Naw, you not overgunned... 9 twist is a slam dunk.I think someone mentioned a .22-250 and those are sometimes 12 or 14 twist. If the 64 BSB will stabilize, that's a good choice for most small to mid sized critters, as is the 60 NPT. DF The reason I opted for the 77 Hawkeye over most other BAs. Nut Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer driftless #9653203 03/03/15 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 B Blackheart Campfire Ranger Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 Originally Posted by driftless 55gr sierras are they one of the better 55gr conventional 22cal bullets for larger game.My rifle does not like the heaver bullets and I do not want to shoot barnes so was wondering what is the toughest 55gr lead and cup bullet? Can't say how tough the 55 Sierra is. Never used it. I did use the 65 grain Sierra Game King this past season and was not impressed. It broke up on a rib on a broadside lung shot from about 100 yards. Never had a 55 or 60 grain Hornady do that and I've killed a bunch of deer with both.. In fact, I've put the 55 Hornady through both shoulders of a mature doe from 80 yards and the core and jacket were still together just under the offside hide. All bullets fired from a standard .223. 65 Sierra's were loaded to 2900 fps and 55 Hornady's at 3200. Based on my experience, I'd have to say the 55 Hornady is tougher than the 65 Sierra.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9653301 03/03/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc Campfire Tracker varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad So if you could pick one bullet as your do all load, coyotes to deer, what would it be? Keep in mind availability and cost as well. Something like the Hornady 68 or 75 bhp? Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9653529 03/03/15 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 M msuhunter OP Campfire Regular OP msuhunter Campfire Regular M Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 Scope is a swfa SS 10 x. Had to try one just to see if they actually tracked and held 0. It does everything big stick says. And I could even shoot a deer after legal light if I wanted to. Gunner and school, eddy bo built hammers and this is one of them. He is missed around my camp too. I get a laugh every time I shoot a deer or elk with his rifles. I know he would be excited that his gun was shooting so well

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9654011 03/03/15 Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 291 D driftless Campfire Member driftless Campfire Member D Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 291 My browning x-bolt in 223 does not like 63gr win. pp which is the bullet I wanted to use so I have been using 55gr rem sp which are just about gone I like to buy in bulk and do not like to spend a lot on bullets for a rifle that I use to shoot pest and a meat deer during a doe season.I have ok luck with the 55gr rem but would like a little tougher bullet.Is there a difference Hornadys with or with out the cannelure? How about the Hornady 60sp in the slow twist barrel and on game?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer varmintsinc #9654201 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by varmintsinc So if you could pick one bullet as your do all load, coyotes to deer, what would it be? Keep in mind availability and cost as well. Something like the Hornady 68 or 75 bhp? For me, it's the gun that does the picking... My .22-204, M-7 feeds longer bullets well, due to the way I have the box mag set up. It like 75 gr SSII's over Varget. In my custom Ranch Rifle and AR, both .223's, I'm working with 64 BSB, 65 Power Point and 60 NPT. The rifles will dictate. Other .22 centerfires like different bullets because of twist, etc. So, I can never pick a favorite, it's the rifle's choice... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9654287 03/03/15 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 M msuhunter OP Campfire Regular OP msuhunter Campfire Regular M Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by varmintsinc So if you could pick one bullet as your do all load, coyotes to deer, what would it be? Keep in mind availability and cost as well. Something like the Hornady 68 or 75 bhp? For me, it's the gun that does the picking... My .22-204, M-7 feeds longer bullets well, due to the way I have the box mag set up. It like 75 gr SSII's over Varget. In my custom Ranch Rifle and AR, both .223's, I'm working with 64 BSB, 65 Power Point and 60 NPT. The rifles will dictate. Other .22 centerfires like different bullets because of twist, etc. So, I can never pick a favorite, it's the rifle's choice... DF For me it would be the 62 ttsx so I could break shoulders, But I'd rather shoot amax at does and yotes and if a big buck walks out he catches it in the lungs or ear. I've used the 75 BTHP and it worked but it didn't create trauma like the amax. The 223 is like a golf bag full of clubs. Pick what the situation calls for

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9654355 03/03/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana That 62 TTSX is pretty long and you'll need some twist to make it work. It should be hard to beat on WT and hogs. DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9654627 03/03/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma Originally Posted by msuhunter Scope is a swfa SS 10 x. Had to try one just to see if they actually tracked and held 0. It does everything big stick says. And I could even shoot a deer after legal light if I wanted to. Gunner and school, eddy bo built hammers and this is one of them. He is missed around my camp too. I get a laugh every time I shoot a deer or elk with his rifles. I know he would be excited that his gun was shooting so well 10-4 MSU, we were busting rocks out at 1400 with his big 338 Allen Mag in New Mexico, a finer tuned Swiss watch was never built. Trump Won!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9658823 03/05/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc Campfire Tracker varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad I have used plenty of TTSX in .270 and up but not in .22. Does going up in weight increase expansion or just penetration in .224 slugs? If a 55 will punch clean through I would rather have the extra speed. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer varmintsinc #9658844 03/05/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by varmintsinc If a 55 will punch clean through I would rather have the extra speed. I think you are exactly right. Speed is your friend with mono metals. If a heavier bullet penetrated better, you wouldn't be able to tell.... FWIW I was never able to "catch" a 50 grainer after a dozen kills with it either. I switched to 55s simply to increase the bearing surface, and hence pressure, and hence velocity. I really wasn't getting the speed out of the 50s that I can get out of a 55... Last edited by ingwe; 03/05/15. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9659231 03/05/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Ingwe, what's your favorite 55 TSX load for the .223AI. I'm thinking of trying those in my fast twist .22-204. .223AI data is usually a good starting load for the .22-204... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9659693 03/05/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky 28.5 gr. of H335 "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer varmintsinc #9661439 03/05/15 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,761 Central, Texas L LBP Campfire Outfitter LBP Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,761 Central, Texas Originally Posted by varmintsinc So if you could pick one bullet as your do all load, coyotes to deer, what would it be? Keep in mind availability and cost as well. Something like the Hornady 68 or 75 bhp? This is an easy one Sierra 63gr SMP Varminter #1370, you can thank me later... Thanks again Dober wherever you are. Last edited by LBP; 03/05/15. Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming. Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9664808 03/06/15 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 520 TN P pety221 Campfire Regular pety221 Campfire Regular P Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 520 TN I'm going to ask a question about a hornady amax anyone used them in the past in a 75 grn ? My daughters rifle have used 55 grn hornady innerlocks in the past n every animal she's touched with it has died . but wondered what it would do on deer

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer pety221 #9666375 03/07/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky I have not, but Im pretty sure a couple members here swear by them in the .223AI for deer. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9667341 03/07/15 Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD saw lots of good posts on a thread dedicated to the 223ai, you might want to check it out. Beware of any old man in a profession where one usually dies young. Calm seas don't make sailors.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9670451 03/09/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! would you guys pick 55gr, or 70gr TSX for hogs? "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tex_n_cal #9670456 03/09/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky 55 gr TTSX.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9670534 03/09/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! unobtanium, in other words I can get the 55's and the 70's easily. The others, not so much. Or I could just bring the 1 in 8" bull barrel gun and choot 60gr Partitions. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9673091 03/10/15 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,568 grottoes ,virginia,usa srwshooter Campfire Outfitter srwshooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,568 grottoes ,virginia,usa i dont think any .224 bullet is large enough for big game animals but plenty of people seem to like them.not for me,but if you like it go for it.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tex_n_cal #9673138 03/10/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by tex_n_cal would you guys pick 55gr, or 70gr TSX for hogs? It takes a lot of twist for 70 gr. TSX and it's hard to get the speed needed for a Mono-metal to do its stuff. I guess if one had a fast twist .22-250/.220S, but even then, those 70's don't move that fast. And that's one long bullet... I'm not sure why Barnes even made the 70. I have a few if you want to try them. I'm not going to be using 70's, for sure. I've had them for a while, can't remember what I was thinking when I bought them. PM me if you are serious about 70's. I can help... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer srwshooter #9673263 03/10/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by srwshooter i dont think any .224 bullet is large enough for big game animals but plenty of people seem to like them.not for me,but if you like it go for it. You probably haven't read P. O. Ackley's accounts of hunting with the .220 Swift. What a fast, light bullet can do has long been documented and authenticated. Now, terminal performance of bullets becomes more important, IMO, as velocity is increased. I think that's the discussion on the table, more than head stamp... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer srwshooter #9673329 03/10/15 Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,649 Indiana pointer Campfire Outfitter pointer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,649 Indiana Originally Posted by srwshooter i dont think any .224 bullet is large enough for big game animals but plenty of people seem to like them.not for me,but if you like it go for it. I'd be interested to know what you do consider "big" enough in either weight or diameter?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9675473 03/11/15 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,568 grottoes ,virginia,usa srwshooter Campfire Outfitter srwshooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,568 grottoes ,virginia,usa where i hunt deer are up to 200lb gutted and there is a good chance that i may see a 500-700lb bear. i like at least a 120-150gn bullet.with a chance at a once in a lifetime buck or bear i'd just as soon stay well armed. i didn't say you couldn't kill deer with a 22 caliber bullet and i have done that.but i've seen big animals lost to smaller calibers to.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer srwshooter #9677275 03/11/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 41,958 Huntn/Fishn Heaven-NW Ontario New_2_99s Campfire 'Bwana New_2_99s Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 41,958 Huntn/Fishn Heaven-NW Ontario & just as many lost to larger calibers &/or "magnums" too ! Paul. "Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9677842 03/11/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by tex_n_cal would you guys pick 55gr, or 70gr TSX for hogs? It takes a lot of twist for 70 gr. TSX and it's hard to get the speed needed for a Mono-metal to do its stuff. I guess if one had a fast twist .22-250/.220S, but even then, those 70's don't move that fast. And that's one long bullet... I'm not sure why Barnes even made the 70. I have a few if you want to try them. I'm not going to be using 70's, for sure. I've had them for a while, can't remember what I was thinking when I bought them. PM me if you are serious about 70's. I can help... DF Appreciate the info. The rifle is an AR with 1 in 7" nitrided barrel, which is fair to middling with 65 Sierras and not so good with 60 Partitions. I can easily obtain 55 and 70 gr TSX. The TTSX's are hard to find. I think I'm going to load both and see how it shoots. I also have another AR with a 1 in 8 stainless barrel, and I'll probably try the Noslers in it as a backup plan. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9678105 03/11/15 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807 Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807 Use enough gun. To start a topic if a tiny round is enough is just a waste of our time. Tiny tools and rounds cause failure. Use enough gun and you won't have to ask! All guns should be locked up when not in use!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer srwshooter #9678160 03/11/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,271 North Carolina W wilkeshunter Campfire Outfitter wilkeshunter Campfire Outfitter W Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,271 North Carolina Originally Posted by srwshooter i dont think any .224 bullet is large enough for big game animals but plenty of people seem to like them.not for me,but if you like it go for it. I guess you didn't get the memo. We are supposed to sing the praises of the mighty .223. You can't be one of the cool kids unless you do.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9678650 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9678656 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky As Stick just said on another thread, its easy to tell who does the shooting and who doesn't.... Ordinarily those with the most critique for the 22 center fires are those with the least experience with them. Agree with Dirtfarmer...cant figure out why 70 gr. TTSXs were invented....you can get the requisite speed out of the 55s and they will penetrate more than enough for deer. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9678669 03/12/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State Apparently, a 222 remington is enough gun:

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9678677 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Thats what my pard discovered too...at 231 yards.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9678699 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Personally I feel better with a 'bigger' cf .22 but the deuce is not to be despised ... But those tiny little guns wouldn't pass muster on tough stuff, like African Game... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9678705 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky A real stunt shooter would shoot his deer two at a time with the deuce........ "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9678716 03/12/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Originally Posted by ingwe Thats what my pard discovered too...at 231 yards.... I like that pic "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9678719 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Maybe I can get two pigs with one 70gr TSX? Even a lowly 65gr Sierra put this deer down in pretty quick order: of course, the evil black rifle will further annoy Savage 99 Last edited by tex_n_cal; 03/12/15. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9678725 03/12/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State All things considered, when you get laid off, and all you have is a deuce and a couple thousand reloads, you learn WTF your gun can do. Seemed stupid that just because I got back to work I should tank all that experience. Nor that the laws of physics changed just because I was getting a paycheck.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tex_n_cal #9678736 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by tex_n_cal Maybe I can get two pigs with one 70gr TSX? Even a lowly 65gr Sierra put this deer down in pretty quick order: of course, the evil black rifle will further annoy Savage 99 And I'll bet thats not even an AI...... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9678813 03/12/15 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip T tzone Campfire 'Bwana tzone Campfire 'Bwana T Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip Originally Posted by Savage_99 Tiny tools and rounds cause failure. I'm sure you've heard this a lot in your dating life and all IQ tests you've ever taken. Camp is where you make it.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tzone #9678839 03/12/15 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807 Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! All guns should be locked up when not in use!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9678878 03/12/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9678938 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,091 South Carolina MadMooner Campfire Ranger MadMooner Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,091 South Carolina Since they found out they were going to be stuffed in the trunk of a Chrysler 300. Even dead deer have standards. “Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9679072 03/12/15 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Dumbass Don talking about thinks he ca5 know again. Sit down and shut up, Don. Let the hunters talk. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9679203 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by tex_n_cal Maybe I can get two pigs with one 70gr TSX? Even a lowly 65gr Sierra put this deer down in pretty quick order: of course, the evil black rifle will further annoy Savage 99 And I'll bet thats not even an AI...... Nope and with a nitrided barrel, it probably never will get punched to AI. I guess this one could get punched, but I have not heard how well the AI feeds & extracts, in an AR... Or I should just leave it alone, and buy a RAR... "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9679261 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC hillbillybear Campfire Ranger hillbillybear Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC Originally Posted by ingwe Personally I feel better with a 'bigger' cf .22 but the deuce is not to be despised ... But those tiny little guns wouldn't pass muster on tough stuff, like African Game... Nice critters even if you did shoot them Member: Clan of the Turdlike People. Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers �If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9679403 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when? Exactamundo. What is this "runs off" you speak of? Last edited by ingwe; 03/12/15. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9679418 03/12/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State This one time, at band camp... Ok it wasn't band camp, it was out back, but anyway, I remember the image in my mind: a big doe at a surveyed 208 yards (I am a surveyor - so I checked it out later) and I put one high in the boiler room, and she literally stiffened up - like she was frozen, and held that pose for what seemed like an eternity, although I knew it was only 4.476 seconds. Then she fell over. And right there, I remember what my health instructor said in high school. "Always remember, son. Speed Kills" true story.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9679883 03/12/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! deer run after they're shot? Since when? Exactamundo. What is this "runs off" you speak of? That is a pretty good question. Perhaps S99 needs a .270, if the recoil isn't too much for him... "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9679953 03/12/15 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming Having used .22 calibers in killing between 60 and 70 head of big game, deer size, to me the most important factor is under what conditions will you hunt.. Long seasons, lots of game, little pressure, they work... It seems this thread comes up at least once a month.. Molon Labe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer WyoCoyoteHunter #9680912 03/13/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter It seems this thread comes up at least once a month.. It's the menstrual cycle of debates.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9681037 03/13/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Don, and a few others, would have 'Chewing Gum' and 'Walking' as separate forums. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Steelhead #9681256 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9681362 03/13/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc Campfire Tracker varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad Always, but I dont mind the debate when someone can be rational and explain why. The poster who mentioned the 500-700lb bears is a good example. I can feely admit I would want more mass and umph if that was a likely target of opportunity and I did not want to ruin a skull. I also have some 55TTSX in the mail, will let you know how they work out. Out of curiosity I will kill some wet phone books with them and compare them to the 110TTSX out of the .270. I do miss the opportunity to use pigs for bullet testing but thankfully they have not made it to Montana yet. Last edited by varmintsinc; 03/13/15. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer varmintsinc #9681376 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9681392 03/13/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State I hear the common sense debate on the bear potential as a downside for 22 centerfire. I do have answers: OR

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9681405 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky That could open a whole nuther kettle of fish. I know scores of westerners who wouldn't dream on taking on a grizzly with a .30-30 But they feel the ultimate in confidence with their 44 magnums...( which have roughly half the power...) "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682084 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 B Blackheart Campfire Ranger Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 Originally Posted by ingwe As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. My experience killing deer with .22 CF's goes back to the 80's and amounts to roughly 40 deer. I think they're adequate when used with reasonable care and skill. I don't think they're the ultimate deerslayers and they do have their limitations/shortcomings. Contrary to popular opinion here, deer can and do run off after being well hit with .22 cal. bullets and often leave skimpy or nearly non existent blood trails. Hence they might not be the best choice in heavy cover for someone whose tracking skills are less than exemplary. Of course this evaluation in all honesty may not apply with the use of modern "super bullets" like TSX'S as I've never used them.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682213 03/13/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by ingwe Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Blackheart #9682349 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by Blackheart Originally Posted by ingwe As long as negative opinions on effectiveness of the little rounds and experience with same remain in inverse proportion to one another, the debate will continue. My experience killing deer with .22 CF's goes back to the 80's and amounts to roughly 40 deer. I think they're adequate when used with reasonable care and skill. I don't think they're the ultimate deerslayers and they do have their limitations/shortcomings. Contrary to popular opinion here, deer can and do run off after being well hit with .22 cal. bullets and often leave skimpy or nearly non existent blood trails. Hence they might not be the best choice in heavy cover for someone whose tracking skills are less than exemplary. Of course this evaluation in all honesty may not apply with the use of modern "super bullets" like TSX'S as I've never used them. BH your synopsis is right on.The 22s aren't the ultimate...the new bullets help immensely, but great care and not a little skill must be applied. In the right hands they are truly as good as anything, in the wrong hands they are as bad as anything. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9682358 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by ingwe Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF That bottom pic is the same rifle with a more pedestrian stock.... Henceforth, we will be celebrating the Flame! "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682362 03/13/15 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by ingwe Ive been testing the 55TTSX on pigs, and will do more next week... They seem to work Good hog medicine… Man, that McFlame really flames... DF That bottom pic is the same rifle with a more pedestrian stock.... Henceforth, we will be celebrating the Flame! Figures you'd be a flamer... Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer 4ager #9682412 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Jealousy is a sick passion...... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9682448 03/13/15 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... 1Nut Campfire Regular 1Nut Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... Originally Posted by ingwe That could open a whole nuther kettle of fish. I know scores of westerners who wouldn't dream on taking on a grizzly with a .30-30 But they feel the ultimate in confidence with their 44 magnums...( which have roughly half the power...) Never understood that one either. I guess that heavy bullet and 'magnum' on the headstamp contains some super pixie dust stuff. Don't tell my near 80 yo uncle that a 222 with old, off the shelf, WW ammo isn't capable of killing deer. He might have choice word or two for ya. Nut Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer 1Nut #9682471 03/13/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Yeah, the old timers mighta had it right. No one ever told Grandpa he couldn't kill elk at 200 yds with an open sighted .300 Savage. Nobody told the elk either... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9687509 03/15/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana And, ole Gramps didn't have the advantage of a fancy Campfire education... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9687825 03/15/15 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 M msuhunter OP Campfire Regular OP msuhunter Campfire Regular M Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,583 Originally Posted by Savage_99 Use enough gun. To start a topic if a tiny round is enough is just a waste of our time. Tiny tools and rounds cause failure. Use enough gun and you won't have to ask! Not trying to waste time, and sure wasn't asking I question. I was making a statement that the 223 is By FAR a great deer killer. Have fun shooting what you want and I'll do the same and I'll do so With MUCH less noise and kick. If you haven't picked up on it yet, nobody listens to you don. Heck you make me want to kill some with a 204

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688009 03/15/15 Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 6 Wisconsin Spanker New Member Spanker New Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 6 Wisconsin I have heard of people using the regular 223 successfully on deer. The barnes 55 grain tsx was made for that intent, I believe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688265 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky msuhunter: I see you got to meet the class retard. Savage99 is what we call a contra-indicator.Whatever he says, you can bet on the opposite "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9688275 03/16/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by ingwe msuhunter: I see you got to meet the class retard. Savage99 is what we call a contra-indicator.Whatever he says, you can bet on the opposite A weather gauge of sorts... Follow the "black cloud". DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688285 03/16/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 I have no idea why people would mess with a 223AI and all that troublesome fireforming when they could use the vastly superior 22/204 Ruger. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Steelhead #9688303 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Or even a .222 Mag for that matter... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688315 03/16/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 You need to be a Mensa to use the 222 Mag. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Steelhead #9688326 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky But wait....I am....and yet I do not use a 222mag. I didn't get the memo. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9688348 03/16/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by ingwe But wait....I am....and yet I do not use a 222mag. I didn't get the memo. Hmmm... So, you're now our alternate Mensa... You do know who the original one is (was)... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688354 03/16/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State If you were really in Mensa, you're undeniable logic would have brought you to the conclusion beforehand.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9688369 03/16/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by RWE If you were really in Mensa, you're undeniable logic would have brought you to the conclusion beforehand. On the other hand, Mensa membership didn't seem to do much for Larry Root's "logical discourses"... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9688375 03/16/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by RWE If you were really in Mensa, you're undeniable logic would have brought you to the conclusion beforehand. On the other hand, Mensa membership didn't seem to do much for Larry Root's "logical discourses"... DF Larry was actually in menstrate, not mensa.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer RWE #9688390 03/16/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by RWE If you were really in Mensa, you're undeniable logic would have brought you to the conclusion beforehand. On the other hand, Mensa membership didn't seem to do much for Larry Root's "logical discourses"... DF Larry was actually in menstrate, not mensa.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9688417 03/16/15 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,058 Heart of Tennessee, Plateau of... ColdCase1984 Campfire Tracker ColdCase1984 Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,058 Heart of Tennessee, Plateau of... IIRC, my youngest schwacked this gal when he was 12 so this was October '06; the year Tennessee regs changed to "any centerfire". Ninety-five yards, Colt Match Target/S&B Short Dot w/ 75 gr. TAP. Crack-flop. The bump behind her left shoulder is the exit. Is the TAP load an AMAX? If so it worked swell in a 'nilla 5.56 for a kid that can shoot... [img:left][/img] �When in doubt, I whip it out.� Uncle Ted

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9688479 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by RWE If you were really in Mensa, you're undeniable logic would have brought you to the conclusion beforehand. On the other hand, Mensa membership didn't seem to do much for Larry Root's "logical discourses"... DF Just a wild assed guess here, but Im thinking maybe Larry being in Mensa might possibly have been another one of his lies. Just possibly. Dont know why I'd jump to that conclusion, knowing his credibility..... Our other esteemed member in Mensa is Dan Adair...and he is at least smart enough to hardly ever post here.I apparently didn't achieve that level "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ColdCase1984 #9688498 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky I just checked Hornadys website and the TAP bullet is not an Amax......they don't say what it is....its BC is different than the Amax and at least what they have pictured has no red tip. Your kid's deer however, appears to be very dead, even with the lower BC.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688544 03/16/15 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,058 Heart of Tennessee, Plateau of... ColdCase1984 Campfire Tracker ColdCase1984 Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,058 Heart of Tennessee, Plateau of... Yerp! He's a shooter. Dropped several more w that gun and a 788 .22-250. One shot apiece. He's been on hiatus from hunting due to girls and motorcycles and will soon be hitting 21 on Cinco de Mayo. �When in doubt, I whip it out.� Uncle Ted

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9688998 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! The 75 Amax is a little long for an AR, seated to mag length? I bought a box, but realized the ogive is below the case mouth. I might have to actually buy a RAR, then AI it, to resolve this problem "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tex_n_cal #9689003 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky I think we should discuss this at some length over a bit of Rebecca Creek. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9689096 03/16/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Sounds like a plan! "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9689338 03/16/15 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 7,132 TC1 Campfire Tracker TC1 Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 7,132 Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! You've got potential

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer TC1 #9689788 03/16/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by TC1 Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! You've got potential

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Dirtfarmer #9707273 03/23/15 Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 120 Near FT. BENNING blueeyes Campfire Member blueeyes Campfire Member Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 120 Near FT. BENNING All yall's overgunned. .17HMR w/20gr XTP is all you need. Pop 'em behind the ear so's they can hear what hit 'em. WILL. DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF:......IT'S ALL SMALL STUFF! D@MN; I miss my meds. THE WINDS OF TYRANNY HAVE SHIFTED. BETTER TIMES AHEAD.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tex_n_cal #9707984 03/23/15 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807 Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807 No tiny bullets are not enough for big game! Use enough gun for all hunting. All guns should be locked up when not in use!

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9707994 03/23/15 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State 22CF is enough gun for the deer and circumstances I hunt in

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9709794 03/24/15 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 B Blackheart Campfire Ranger Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,233 I lost one I hit with a 200 gr. .35 Rem bullet about 35 years ago. Guess the .35 ain't "enough gun" for whitetails. Good thing I sold that POS and got a .223. Never have lost one with that.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9711584 03/25/15 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! Originally Posted by Savage_99 No tiny bullets are not enough for big game! Use enough gun for all hunting. I also took a doe last with Dad's old .25-06, launching 110 Accubonds. The two animals ran just about the same distance, 20-30 yards. These aren't møøse I'm shooting here... "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer tex_n_cal #9711727 03/25/15 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 41,958 Huntn/Fishn Heaven-NW Ontario New_2_99s Campfire 'Bwana New_2_99s Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 41,958 Huntn/Fishn Heaven-NW Ontario Yeah, lost animals have absolutely nothing to do with either bullet construction, or caliber. The problem always is the "nut behind the bolt" ! Paul. "Kids who grow up hunting, fishing & trapping, do not mug little old Ladies"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer ingwe #9716251 03/27/15 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,514 rice county,mn whipholt_wahoo Campfire Outfitter whipholt_wahoo Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,514 rice county,mn Originally Posted by ingwe In that regard, the deer I kill get bigger every single year..... well....they couldn't hardly get smaller now could they?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9716401 03/27/15 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Rancho_Loco Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,379 The Bozone, Montana Originally Posted by Savage_99 No tiny bullets are not enough for big game! Use enough gun for all hunting. Originally Posted by captain seafire I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9716419 03/27/15 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Sakoluvr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,471 Where the wild things are. The .223 should only be used by experts for deer size game. Faith and love of others knows no mileage nor bounds. That's simply the way it is. dogzapper After the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box. Italian Proverb

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Sakoluvr #9717028 03/27/15 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 19,503 Tip of the Mitten bruinruin Campfire Ranger bruinruin Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 19,503 Tip of the Mitten I agree with Sakoluvr. The .223 is an expert's deer cartridge. 4 out of 5 Great Lakes prefer Michigan.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9717369 03/27/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana They look like experts to me... That "steely eyed" look gives'em away every time... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9717798 03/27/15 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,884 D DakotaDeer Campfire Ranger DakotaDeer Campfire Ranger D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,884 Experts here only: The exit side--Hornady 60SP

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9717834 03/27/15 Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Colorado1135 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,606 Middle of SD I'm gonna kill a deer with a .223 this year just cause. I reckon I've been overdoing it with my 243 all these years Beware of any old man in a profession where one usually dies young. Calm seas don't make sailors.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9717998 03/27/15 Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 19,056 Canyon Ferry, Montana M MontanaMarine Campfire Ranger MontanaMarine Campfire Ranger M Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 19,056 Canyon Ferry, Montana If you gotta ask, you already know the answer. Minimum for deer is 30-40 Krag, or 303 Brit......everybody knows that.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer MontanaMarine #9718148 03/27/15 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,820 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,820 I'm probably overdoing it with my 300 Savage.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9718288 03/27/15 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Yep. But, overkill is still dead... DF

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9718472 03/27/15 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,063 Arizona H HaYen Campfire Regular HaYen Campfire Regular H Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,063 Arizona I was going to post a bunch of pics with a winded explanation and recommendation for bullet choices, and then I saw everyone else s post. Nuff said :-) Remember, not everyone has a happy ending, so be happy when you can

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9718561 03/28/15 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,514 rice county,mn whipholt_wahoo Campfire Outfitter whipholt_wahoo Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,514 rice county,mn I'm looking forward to taking something with my 1-8 twist 223 this year,seeing how the 75 IMAX or 80 gr nosler perform. Also have 62 tsx loaded for the 1-10 22-250 my son uses. ********************** [the member formerly known as fluffy}

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9721001 03/29/15 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,752 West of the Blue Ridge Clearly, with a decent bullet placed in the right place, the .223AI will do just fine, just like the straight version, and just like any number of other cartridges. Some states have recognized the fact that most hunters will use something that will help them be successful and elected to treat them like adults by allowing the use of smallbores. Others, not so much. Strangely, the government agencies that cull deer in parks and urban areas are generally using much less effective rounds in order to be unobtrusive to the public. As far as I know, they aren't leaving a bunch of wounded deer running around. All that said, and even though all centerfires are legal for deer here, I don't use a .223 as I don't own one at present. Even if I did have one, I would likely continue to use the other, larger rifles as I believe they are a better choice for where I hunt these days. Folks that hunt where they feel their smallbores will be effective ought to be able to use them. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9752366 04/11/15 Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 258 oklahoma C coyotes Campfire Member coyotes Campfire Member C Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 258 oklahoma was calling coyotes last year during holiday doe season, carrying a .17 Tac rifle pushing 30 grain kindlers little over 4k, three does ran up to caller about 80 yards. Bang flop,one shot to base of the neck, fell over in her tracks stone dead. Put me down in the shot placement row.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer Savage_99 #9771052 04/16/15 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile J jimmyp Campfire Ranger jimmyp Campfire Ranger J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,300 Mobile Originally Posted by Savage_99 The baby gun boys think that when they shoot at a deer and it runs off that they missed again! you are just a poor shot thus you butt shot a deer once with a 22 and lost it. The little gun is easier to shoot, easier to hit with, usually very accurate and 100% lethal in my hands with mono metal bullets.

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9771494 04/16/15 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming Just read what Blackheart and ingwe had to say about the .223 on deer.. They hit the nail on the head.. Molon Labe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9771828 04/16/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 If you can shoot, it will work. If you can't, nothing will work. Pretty simple really. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9771870 04/16/15 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming Again ingwe and Blackheart summed it up perfectly... Molon Labe

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9771916 04/16/15 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Again, if you can shoot, it will work. If you can't, nothing will work. Perhaps too simple for some. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Is the 223 AI enough for deer msuhunter #9771932 04/16/15 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,775 Wyoming Not too simple but not everyone shoots their deer over bait, or more politically correct "food plots." Molon Labe