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Quote me as to when I've ever said anything about DIALING windage? And again, I've never claimed to know everything.

It's always a hoot when guys ask questions then argue with the answers......lol.

the Bushnell LRHS is your huckleberry, whether you realize it or not

I agree, because only 2 have given any kind of answer that has to do with the original question.

OP's original post needed some tweaking, as in "MOA elevation turret, and an MOA reticle".

MOA turret with windage reticle makes a lot more sense than what he asked for.

I stick by my suggestion of a VX-6 2-12, CDS MOA turret with the new windage reticle. He can get one within the stated budget if he shops around. IMO, it will be hard to do better in that price range.

DF

Might be because your original question was FUBAR and folks were trying to offer advice without calling you a dumbass.

I doubt that will happen again, as advice bounces off and the dumbass part seems a given.

There's nothing FUBAR at all about my original post, I asked exactly what I intended to. The only dumbasses are the ones that tried to read something else into it!

Pick up a Viper PST 2.5-10x32 with MOA turrets and reticle.

OR....if you can manage to go into it with an open mind, the Bushnell LRHS is where you want to be within that price range. It's in Mils. Having said that, if you haven't tried Mils, you really should. I've heard of plenty of people converting from MOA to Mils after trying both, but very, very few people going the other direction...

I promise, I'm plenty open minded. Serious question: what is the advantage of Mils vs MOA?

Nice even numbers and factors of 10.

Using MOA to measure group size and scope tracking, you're looking at 1.047" at 100 yards. Not so easy to use that factor in the field. So, say you're testing your scope for tracking and click adjustment values, and you decide to set up a target at 100 yards. Your paper target has a 1" grid system. You dial up 8 MOA, and expect to see a POI shift of how many inches? 8.376". Better bring your dial caliper with you, or else set up the target at 95.51 yards to make each MOA adjustment an even 1". In contrast, using Mils you would set up the target at 100 meters, and each 0.1 Mil adjustment would move the POI by 1 cm, which can easily be used in a grid pattern when you print your targets. So you dial 1 Mil, and you expect to see a POI shift of exactly 10 cm. Nice even number.

Factors of 10- when dialing your elevation turret, with MOA you are typically working with 0.25 or 0.125 MOA clicks. Additionally, MOA turrets usually have 15 or 25 MOA per revolution. Suppose you spot a nice buck at whatever distance you like (that requires dialing your elevation turret), and your dope sheet says you need 16.8 MOA elevation correction. You think to yourself "okay, so I need to dial one complete revolution, which gives me 15 MOA, then an extra 1 MOA, then an extra 3 clicks, which gets me to 16.75 MOA. That's as close to 16.8 MOA as I can get." Each click is a quarter of an MOA, which you have to reconcile in your head. Now with Mils, each click is 0.1 Mil, and Mil turrets usually have 5 or 10 Mils per revolution. This is much easier and more intuitive for your brain to work with. You need 0.4 Mils, that's 4 clicks. Need 5.6 Mils, dial the turret to the "5", and then 6 more clicks. How about 21.2 Mils? Using a 10 Mil per revolution turret, we spin 2 complete revolutions for 20 Mil, and another 1 Mil and 2 clicks. We are trained to work with factors of 10 because of the number system that we have in place- money, decimals, percentage, nearly everything we learn to use in society with regards to numbers, deals in factors of 10. So naturally, it's more intuitive for us to think in increments of 0.1, 1, and 10, than 0.25, 1, and 15. If you think about it, what's easier and quicker for you to remember, figure, and dial into your scope, 34.6 MOA, or 10.1 Mils? Smaller numbers are usually easier to remember and process.

In fairness, I have and use LR scopes with both Mil and MOA turrets/reticles. Both work equally effectively, but the Mil system requires less mental processing power to work with, and subsequently takes slightly less time between spotting the target and getting a corrected shot off.

If you have a MOA dial installed, all you have to do is print out a drop chart from JBM or the like and have separate columns show MOA and inches. It ain't very hard. That takes about zero mental processing when you're trying to kill something.

check out the Vortex Viper HS:LR. The SFP have a BDC reticle and the FFP have a grid based reticle. the 2.5-10 FFP was discontinued. They were going for aroudn $550 shipped if you can find one in stock.

Some of you guys amaze me. Lots of posts means nothing and I can prove my case from this forum. On the other hand, some guys with lots of posts are really in the know and they came through in this thread.

Just because op is a newbie, doesn't automatically make him dumb either. Maybe he did not frame his question accurately, but he came through.

I'm far from a know it all, but I have a lifetime of guns and hunting successfully behind me and I never knew this place existed until I was 70. BTW, I'm still learning. Thanks JS for the best comparison I ever read on MIL / MOA. Thanks JG, DF and others who were really trying to help the new guy.

Jack

As the previous post stated, JohnBurns, thanks for the explaination of MIL vs MOA, makes total sense. You may have just changed my mind as to which direction to go with my scope.

For the super dumb and simple minded, a yardage turret set up for the load being used isn't a bad option...

It's sorta the Spec. Ed./Short Bus version of the ballistic puzzle...

DF

John Burns didn't answer schit! Jordan Smith did.

He's one of two reasons we haven't destroyed Canaduh.



Travis

Whiskey must be the other....

Not all that bad.

Canadian whiskey is not good enough to save them.

This allows one to forget all the math!

Mathman, I'm 7 months into deployment, couldn't be too picky.