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thirdbite,



Abraham was born about 250 years after the Flood. He is considered, more or less, to be a modern figure; as far as world history goes. I think we can date him about 2,000 to maybe 2,100 years ago. That puts the Flood about 4,300 years ago.



Noah was 600 years old when the Flood hit and he lived another 350 years. He was the last of the 900 year olds. According to the book Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of to Genome, written by a guy who was an evolutionist and taught the graduate students at Cornell University for twenty-five years and has seventy patents on gene splicing, wrote the exponential decay rate of human ages, recorded in
Genesis 11 matches the accumulation rate of human mutations.

This was not addressed to me, but I figure I will answer it anyway. It says something like a day with the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. The quote comes from Saint Peter and refers to God's patience waiting for us to turn to Him.

In the Psalms God tells us a thousand years to Him is like a watch in the night. In other words He is not locked into time like we are.

Some confused folks try to shoe horn Genesis' creation narrative into Saint Peter's encouragement about God's patience. God, Who is the Creator, established what a day is on Day One. He said, "There was evening and morning, Day One. Every time evening and morning used with a numerical modifier shows up in the Old Testament it refers to......one day! Why would it be any different in the place where a day is established? God told us in That First Chaper the sun and moon and stars are for "days and years and signs and seasons."

If someone doesn't believe it, why don't they just reject it up front and move on? I don't understand why they try to change it.

What am I missing? 2,100 plus 250 doesn't equal 4,300. How long did the flood last?

thin_man,



Do you have any idea how heavy a book written with letters that large would be?

What miracles specifically are you speaking of? Performed today?

You can hear about them from credible people and sometimes see them if you run in the right circles. They aren't usually on CNN though.

If god truly knows our every thought and numbers the hairs on our head, he'd know how many have searched for him and come up empty. He'd know exactly how to convince the mind of that person. Yet he doesn't.

I don't have all the answers, but I want my children to love me all on their own,not because I make them.I think God wants us to desire him enough to seek him out,seek him with our whole heart. When I've done that, God has made himself known to me in a wonderful and convincing way.

Sorry. I don't see anything out of context there. I can see how some would read that and want to have "faith" that the lord will protect them from these things. Not surprisingly, christians die of snake bites & poisoning too. With or without them going looking for it.

Yes they do, as I already said ,I don't have all the answers but I also have heard many astounding things from people that I believe concerning God protecting them. Maybe those scriptures speak more of our battle against evil as I've heard before and are more figurative than literal. I can't say for sure as I've not studied them in depth from the original languages with the mind set of the time period. For me however they are no less true because some Christian has died from snakebite.

thin_man,



God says Jews, the people to whom he appeared, seek signs and Gentiles (mostly you and me) seek for wisdom. Gentile Christian's searchings sorta established science and took us out of the Dark Ages.

Here's an unfun thought. Dispite showing them signs, including raising at least four people from the dead including Himself, many did not believe. Here's another unfun thought. Dispite modern scientific discoveries showing how finely tuned the universe is and how complex a cell is, most Gentiles don't believe.

As you well know, you can't MAKE someone love you or even respect you. You can prove you exist.
You however have a big advantage over your god as you are very real and present for your children.






That will suffice sir. Thanks for your honesty & thank you for your time.

No problem.

Just like the guy that gives me a job can take it away, the one who gives life is also entitled to take it away. Life is a gift, not an entitlement.

By that reasoning it is morally acceptable for you to murder you own kids.

You are certainly special. The dad and mom don't give life. They merely pass on genetics. That's why when their number of days is up, they can't keep on living.

AS,

Nah, not at all. Equating God creating Man to a human father/mother procreation is not what he meant. Pretty obvious.

TF

Additional thought:

Imagine a gardener. He tills the soil, he plants the seeds as cares to, he waters and tends to that garden. It is his garden. He has the right to into the garden and manage as he sees fit. He may pull weeds, he may thin some areas, he may tear out what is no longer desired and put something else in, he may replant, he may harvest. It is his garden and it is right for him to do these things.

It is not right for someone else to come in to his garden and take or destroy. Not the intruder's garden.

We are not talking about plants. We are talking about human beings, so your example is not morally equivalent. It's interesting how you didn't like my parent analogy, but somehow you think you gardener analogy would hold.

If you are a Christian and the serpent (Satan) which can take your life FOREVER bites you, you will not die (His definition of death, not ours).

The death of the flesh we fear is of no consequince to Him. His concern is that we not REALLY DIE, the death He can not save one from, well, at least not and be just.

antelope_sniper,



You don't get it. You are not God. There is a larger gap between the plants and you and you and God. You are closer to the plants by a universe.

But if you evolved, it is fine for you to kill kids. Lions kill the cubs of other males if they get a chance. Bears kill cubs and even eat them. Morality cannot be justified in an evoloving world. Why? Well, who decides what's moral? The guy with the most followers or the biggest gun? Who?

I look at things a little differently my friend. What I see is that much of how God has dealt with us is our own fault. I even see the flood as an act of grace and kindness. There is evidence when languages are studied in depth to believe that God allowed the flood to save mankind from what would have otherwise been total destruction of the human race. Remember that Noah warned the people for 100 years.

Even when dealing with his own Covenant people,God did not want to judge harshly and did not until the people demanded law. God wanted to deal directly with his people but they instructed Moses to speak with God instead and boastfully declared that whatever God said to do, they would do. At that point God gave man the law, not to teach them how to live and punish them when they failed, but to show them that they couldn't attain righteousness on their own.

At that point God was obligated to uphold the law, but even then God created the levitical priesthood to give man a way to avoid punishment and wrath. All those sacrifices were only a shadow of the true way and sacrifice to come through Jesus. You see, God has never wanted wrath for man. God wanted mercy so much for man that he gave his only son to die for us.

God allowed!?

Genesis6:13
"Then God said to Noah, 'The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.'"

Read it in the original language and then get back to me.

AS,

Sorry, it slipped by you and that is not your fault. GOD is the gardener, we are HIS garden, HIS creation. We are created by HIM and he is sovereign. I know that is a tough thing for an atheist to stomach but that is the way it is. God is sovereign and you are not. Goes against the grain doesn't it?

TF

Its time to crucify this thread and roll the stone over the tomb.