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Lie, this one did. Hurt old people, did he. Perjury has he committed. Pay, he must.

Declare assets, he did not. See this we do.

A camper, he does own. Declare this he did not.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9478646

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9716130

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9753123

A motorcycle, he does own. Declare this he did not.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9298742

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9546715

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9694200

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9864820

A Mashburn Super, he did own. Declare this he did not.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...9903408/1/VERY_beautiful_full_custom_rif

Other rifles, he does own. Declare them he did not.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9937052/Re:_VERY_beautiful_full_custom#Post9937052

Own many other firearms, he does. Declare them he did not.


Contact this Trustee someone must.

JOHN D. MUNDING
1610 W. Riverside Avenue
Spokane, WA 99201
(509) 624-6464

Reference this case one must.

Mark B. and Sherri Claiborne, Case No. 2:14-bk-02705

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/W...5/Mark_B_Claiborne_and_Sherri_Claiborne/


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I'll be in Walla Walla in a couple weeks. Thought about looking up Mark to pray with him. Maybe I should visit Mr. Munding instead?

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HI everyone!

I said in my 'see ya'll a bit later' post that I would be checking and replying to PM's here a couple of times a day. Don't know why then that anyone would bet that I would not do so. And I have. We have another member who now needs a kidney transplant and he and I are visiting about that matter. And, I have a couple of trades that are finalizing and I need to stay in touch with the guys I owe stuff to and vice versa.

I have not read this whole thread, not going to. But a little bird told me that someone thought I had run off scared or some such. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am not afraid of any of you, here on the 'net nor in person.

Most may not believe this, and that is OK, but I do realize that I have made some real mistakes here and in my life. I truly am using the time that I am not here to do the soul searching that I said I would and asking THE great physician and the only one who can fix what ails me, for help in doing just that.

Sean, buddy, you are forgetting the many times that you saw me pray to begin a day of appointments that God would help me to be of a help and a blessing to all whom I came in contact with at the start of a business day. And the Bankers Life Magazine article where I stated and was quoted as telling others who wanted to be successful like I had been when they wrote about me that " You have to care more about the person across the table from you more than about yourself. If you are not about improving other people's lives and making thier dreams come true, then you are not worthy to have YOUR dreams and plans come true" And I meant that, and conducted myself in that fashion. And, FWIW Bankers is trying to recruit me back now that I will be able to work again soon. That some Oregon DOI employees thought differently is beyond my control right now. If I had not begun getting so sick so fast toward the end of my carreer and been able to financially as well as energy wise continue my fight with them I am certain that before a real judge and opportunity to see the wholle of the interviews that the DOI made (and was allowed to only cherry pick the worst parts in the 'hearing' with no opportunity for my attorney to see the whole or cross examine) we would have won, easily. The hard number rules of how much money, in % form, one could put into an annuity were not put into the DOI code until AFTER I wrote the annuities in question.

And Sean, you are forgetting for some reason how you credited me, after we had parted ways proffesionally, for your time spent in a church praying one afternoon. That, according to you, it was my influence in your life that led to that afternoons time. I hope that you are still allowing God to rule and run your life. Also, you never ONCE suggested that I was doing anything wrong in my business affairs with Bankers or my clients. And for good reson, I WASN'T. Yeah, an Oregon DOI employee found me to have lied to investigators, when they compared notes from over 6 years of questioning me and found discrepncies when
i had to go from memory each and every time plus truly was becoming very ill and weak, but there is not any mention of anyone being financially harmed by following my recomendations because they were not. AND, amigo, you are forgetting the many times that you called me to THANK ME for getting you started with Bankers Life - where you DID and WERE selling the exact same annuities that I was- and for mentoring you by the telephone many, many times to help you get a good start in the business. I happily spent HOURS on the phone with you both coaching and encouraging you. And I do not regret one single minute of that even now. Also, when you got your big break to work for Johns-Hopkins (LONG after our business relationship had ended) you called me and thanked me AGAIN for getting you the start you needed which allowed you to have the right skillset and knowledge base that made you a good fit for your fund raising job. You might still be working there, I don't know. I DO know that the last time I called you to see how you were doing, you promised me a phone call that never came. You simply took a chickenshit way and started bad mouthing me from an new assumed name, without once telling me that you thought I had been wrong in any of my business matters, when I THOUGHT you were my friend. Just... wow.

I just remembered another double standard here. Remember when I called you from a gun shop in LaGrande Oregon? I was looking at an older Savage model 99 in 300 Savage which had a tang mounted peep sight for $400.00. YOU told me that I should buy it and then flip it here at 24hrcf. That the sight alone made it worth much more than the $400 price tag. So I did and it was. I have long ago now quit the gun flipping but you were a mentor and co conspiritor with me on that. And in fact the VERY FIRST internet firearms transaction I ever did was with you. The funny stocked pre-64 model 70 in 270WCF for your Rossi lever action in .454 Casull. I wish I still had that one! smile

Sean, You are forgetting a LOT of things about our friendship. And I don't know how you were raised, but in our world and in my family you do not live in a mans house (Our guest room and sometimes our travel trailer right next to the house, but eating and such here), eat at his table, go to his best varmint shooting and fishing spots as an invited guest and close friend and then without telling him become his arch enemy from the anonymiity of a new assumed name, and for YEARS now. At least without having the balls for and class to have a person to person conversation first with that freind who trusted you FIRST. Even if by phone or e-mail. It is just not done, if a man is a man of honor. Some would call that two faced, at a minimum.

But, FWIW, I forgive you completely and without reservation. And, I sincerely thank YOU for it was your signing that long diatribe against me that made me finally really take notice. I should have long before, perhaps, but I am only 55 and have a new lease on life for which I am truly grateful for to both God and my amazing cousin.

And, I really DO intend, plan on, focus toward etc. to make the second half or so of Mark / Safariman's life one that really truly honors God. And one that really counts for something in the eternal scheme of things. And THAT my friends, and only that, is why I am stepping back from here for a little bit. There really could be something wrong deep down that needs some significant work. I am open to the idea of that and will be exploring all the options and avenues of fixing and re building things.

To all who have made fun of my testimony as a Christian and a Gospel singer.... Steelhead especially, This is what pains me the most. I am so sorry that some of my actions have caused harm to come to the name of my Lord and Savior. You all cannot see into my heart of hearts, but I truly did genuinely care for and about not only my clients, and I did help them, but as best I could and can all with whom I come into contact. As for my clients, I would make the same recomendations to them if I was a third party giving advice to them without my name on any paperwork, even though Oregon DOI now has some really arbitrary and poorly thought out % maximums that did not exist when I wrote the annuities in question. More to the point, I really DO love God, and people. The best part of being in and out of Virginia Mason hospital for 6 weeks was the opportunity to spot hurting or worried people and pray with or for them.

As an Aside, THANK YOU MISS LYNN! For checking in on this point and confirming the reality of my hospitalization. and confirming the reality of my lovely bride, asphaltangel. I lover her SOOOO much....

I will post some photos from my surgery here when I come back, and of my Vietnam Vet freind enjoying his Browning semi auto 243 and Loopy scope - big grin on his face - when I do return here. And I shall return.

And I do love singing and giving God glory that HE deserves. And I am an unabashed evangalist (see the links to my ink, perhaps). Some think I am pretty good at it. I have never received a dime for any of this and I like it that way.

I will not be checking in back here to see what happens next in this thread, some of you if not most will continue to have your fun at my expense and I am fine with that. This is, after all, JUST the internet. In real life, and with the people who truly know me I am much liked and loved and THAT is what counts. As for here and for now, I am only going to keep communication going with the folks who I am PM'ing with and as I said before any or all of you are welcome to PM me and I will ad here that you are all invited to e-mail me at:

kritterluverslive.com

I'll be back sometime, but will not grab another assumed cybername. I will still be safariman. All will know who I am, and I am a man not afraid to face some personal demons and get 'em killed off, and will not take the cowards way of using some other name and hoping no one knows who I really am.

As well, I will not be one who percevorates over another persons presence here and stalks them and tries to hi jack their posts or threads. This place is supposed to be fun, and a place to talk about guns and politics and hunting and fishing and such. I remember when it was just that.

Whenever I return in full, I hope that I will be allowed to just be one of the posting members here, without the drama that none of us really needs and is not of a benefit to the campfire experience IMO.

Other than PM's or e-mails, I will see ya'll some time down the road.

Genuine wishes for Gods blessings upon you all,

Safariman

PS not going to do some stupid swan song post in the general campfire, either. Just be MIA for a while.



Good grief. Your response is predictably sad, and even more pridefully narcissistic than I thought you were. I'm going to attempt to deal only with the few pieces of relevant stuff in that litany of mostly irrelevant, barely comprehensible bullschit you rolled out.

The "Bankers Life" magazine article was, frankly, a lie. You have never cared more about anyone or anything else than yourself. You peddled that line of BS to yourself, clients/marks, the company that you then LIED TO (as detailed in the Oregon decision), and anyone else you've ever come across. Actions speak louder than words, and yours speak in volumes. Yes, you prayed each day for that which you said, but you ended EVERY one of them with a request for profitable sales and to make lots of money.

Yes, I worked for Bankers when I started. I did not, however, sell the same schit you did. I never sold indexed annuities, which you sold a ton of and still can't accurately describe how they work. I became one of the very few registered representatives for that company hold Federal financial licenses that you never had in order to be able to LEGALLY talk to clients about classes of investments and recommend investments and products outside of what Bankers offered. I left that chitty company when a branch manager without the licenses I had, or to oversee my business, tried to force me to sell improper products to a client in order to bolster his office numbers. I had that conversation with you, many times, and MANY times did I discuss with you that you didn't have the licenses to be dealing with entire classes of investments that you continued to deal with, and you didn't understand fully the products themselves. Your only consistent questions then were how you could get around those rules and how much the commissions were on things.

I have no doubt that Bankers Life & Casualty Co. may well be trying to rehire you, assuming you return to work and could manage to have an insurance license. That company is one of the very worst in the industry; they have no morals and the compliance and enforcement cases against them account for many volumes of rulings in every state they operate in. They lie, cheat, steal, train agents to do the same, and market extraordinarily bad products to elderly people. I know; I worked for them for a short time until I got my financial licenses and moved on.

Yes, I credited you with assisting me on certain aspects of the trade; appointment setting, fact-finding, and follow-up. Those things were important and have continued to help me. However, if you will notice, NONE of those are on technical specifics and none on compliance. You have never shown the proclivity with the technical aspects of what you sold, much less things you weren't licensed to discuss in the first place, and your compliance record and ethics stink.

The very fact that you would somehow try to take credit for any and all success I've had in life is just staggeringly narcissistic and flatly false. Oh, and as to your guess as to my faith practices (which you are also trying to take credit for), that is supposition on your part; irrelevant and extremely unChristlike.

Your claims of my betrayal of you are really rather funny. The few times I visited and worked with you, I NEVER slept in your home. I stayed at a hotel, or in the travel trailer in your driveway. The "meals at your table" were damned few and far between; generally it was pizza or some other take-out. I went varmint shooting once and fishing once. You are also forgetting the PMs here that I sent to you in order to convince you to quit your unlicensed dealing of firearms across state lines using the Internet (this site) as your means of conveyance. That, Mark, is a Federal felony; and each transaction could carry with it several years in a Federal prison. I did that because I thought you had any sense at all, and frankly the only thing that finally got through to you was the fact that Sherri would be just a liable as you were for every transaction because she's on here and either knew or should have known.

There's a difference between what you were doing (regular source of necessary income by those transactions), and a 99 bought so the sight and perhaps the firearm could be sold for a small profit (hobby exclusion covering irregular deals). Trying to paint me with that brush won't work, and in fact, it's par the course with you.

Let's talk about Oregon for a moment. Oregon didn't rescind your license because of a single deal with a percentage of asset rule violated. They SUSPENDED your license for that. They took your license for several cases that involved dishonesty, fraud, misrepresentation, forging documents, lying to investigators, clients, and your own company. That decision, not the percentage asset rule decision, cost you your license. You refuse to admit that, even though it's very plain in the text of the decision. You refuse to admit that you took money out of your own pocket and bought toys for yourself and stuff to try to sell when your wife had bald tires on her vehicle and household bills were needing to be paid. You refuse to admit that you've ever done anything wrong, regardless of the evidence and the facts in opposition to your belief. You're sick, and you need help.

However, it may be beyond that now. It is quite obvious that you lied on your bankruptcy declarations. You purposefully hid and failed to disclose assets, such as multiple firearms, the Harley-Davidson motorcycle, and the 5th wheel trailer (perhaps among others), that would not have been exempt under the Chapter 7 filing. That, Mark, is perjury and not only are you liable for that but so is Sherri.

There are enough people here who know now, and more than enough who have had more than they want to take of and from you that someone is very likely to contact the bankruptcy trustee (whose contact information has been located and posted in this thread) about those material facts, and your own words on this forum will serve as the evidence that you knew you had those assets and that you retained them during the time of the bankruptcy. At the VERY least, you could and probably will lose those assets. You, and Sherri, may well have your bankruptcy filing reopened and disallowed by the court, and it could get even worse than that. This is your doing, Mark. This is not my fault, not the fault of anyone who contacts the trustee, nor the trustee. This is your doing, Mark; you lied (again) for your own selfish personal benefit and it may well come back to finally, definitively, bite you in the ass. I suspect someone will make that call to the trustee and you'll have to own this one, Mark, because it's your name that swore under oath that you were being truthful in your disclosures when you were intentionally lying.

In your mind, I may be "cowardly", "two-faced", and "chickenschit". However, in your mind, you've never done anything wrong. In a mind like that, nothing is straight, and I'll say again, you need help. You never accepted any guidance or advice when it came from a friend, and you've never accepted any correction when it came from an anonymous source. You've never accepted fault when it came from a regulatory agency, and you're not accepting fault now even after the facts are public. If you wouldn't do that, trying to hit you with some aggressive corrective action from an "enemy" was about the only choice left. Instead of finally looking at yourself and realizing that you are exactly what people have been saying, you're playing the victim (again) in order to escape the facts. You need professional, psychiatric help Mark.

Good luck, Mark. You're going to need it.



Aaaaaand, that's all, folks...................


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Originally Posted by YodaGhost
Lie, this one did. Hurt old people, did he. Perjury has he committed. Pay, he must.

Declare assets, he did not. See this we do.

A camper, he does own. Declare this he did not.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9478646

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9716130

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9753123

A motorcycle, he does own. Declare this he did not.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9298742

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9546715

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9694200

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9864820

A Mashburn Super, he did own. Declare this he did not.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...9903408/1/VERY_beautiful_full_custom_rif

Other rifles, he does own. Declare them he did not.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9937052/Re:_VERY_beautiful_full_custom#Post9937052

Own many other firearms, he does. Declare them he did not.


Contact this Trustee someone must.

JOHN D. MUNDING
1610 W. Riverside Avenue
Spokane, WA 99201
(509) 624-6464

Reference this case one must.

Mark B. and Sherri Claiborne, Case No. 2:14-bk-02705

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/W...5/Mark_B_Claiborne_and_Sherri_Claiborne/


Strong with the Dark Side is this one, strong. Cheat, lie, con, and hurt people, he does. Stopped he must be.



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This is almost the greatest show on earth

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Originally Posted by randylindquist
This is almost the greatest show on earth


We haven't seen the egress yet!


Beware of thieves, scammers and dishonest members on the "Fire" classifieds. Ya there is a thief here too. Whatever!!

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Done and done.




Meaning?


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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Done and done.




Meaning?


Whatever you want it to mean.

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Yes I did, really I did!

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This chitt is awesome.


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WW was a popular fella for a while it seems. What happened to him?


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" There really could be something wrong deep down that needs some significant work. I am open to the idea of that and will be exploring all the options and avenues of fixing and re building things. "

the body of work this was taken from indicates that along with kidney failure SM has "I" trouble. rough count of 70 "I's" used.
Mark you need to take a break and heal.


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Originally Posted by YodaGhost
Lie, this one did. Hurt old people, did he. Perjury has he committed. Pay, he must.

Declare assets, he did not. See this we do.

A camper, he does own. Declare this he did not.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9478646

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9716130

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9753123

A motorcycle, he does own. Declare this he did not.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9298742

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9546715

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9694200

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9864820

A Mashburn Super, he did own. Declare this he did not.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...9903408/1/VERY_beautiful_full_custom_rif

Other rifles, he does own. Declare them he did not.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9937052/Re:_VERY_beautiful_full_custom#Post9937052

Own many other firearms, he does. Declare them he did not.


Contact this Trustee someone must.

JOHN D. MUNDING
1610 W. Riverside Avenue
Spokane, WA 99201
(509) 624-6464

Reference this case one must.

Mark B. and Sherri Claiborne, Case No. 2:14-bk-02705

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/W...5/Mark_B_Claiborne_and_Sherri_Claiborne/


Strong with the Dark Side is this one, strong. Cheat, lie, con, and hurt people, he does. Stopped he must be.


Somebody did there home work, have any names and address of the people he cheated.

Contact any of the people he cheated in the past, I'll bet my life on it they would turn him in, no questions asked. He did that to me and I had a chance to get even, I know what I would do. Eye for a eye


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He is still lurking, maybe he will take some of the advice.


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It would be interesting to find out how many good members sent him scope(s) for the PTSD vet.


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I belong to a H1 Hummer forum and we have a member that acts similar to SM except his post are only outrageous on Friday and Saturday, He claims to have serious back problems which leads me to believe that maybe he takes stronger medications those two days and not the others because he has to function at work during the week. Only problem here is that for some reason I'm under the belief that SM doesn't have a job and there seem to not be a pattern to is dishonesty.It's just all the time.Then again maybe medication does play a part. On the other hand stupidity could play a major factor for both men. There's no helping stupid.

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This thread needs more wifey pics smile


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Originally Posted by ZR10054
I belong to a H1 Hummer forum and we have a member that acts similar to SM except his post are only outrageous on Friday and Saturday, He claims to have serious back problems which leads me to believe that maybe he takes stronger medications those two days and not the others because he has to function at work during the week. Only problem here is that for some reason I'm under the belief that SM doesn't have a job and there seem to not be a pattern to is dishonesty.It's just all the time.Then again maybe medication does play a part. On the other hand stupidity could play a major factor for both men. There's no helping stupid.


You've been conned. It is not due to pain, medications, or stupidity. He has exhibited criminal behavior. Stop making excuses for him.

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Oh I'm not making excuses. He is on my do not do business list.
Medications or not he is still a crook.


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