Ladies and Gentlemen:
One of my favorite tactics when I was practicing law, was to let a witness babble on, while on the stand until they found out they had just BS'd themselves into a corner.
Mark Claiborne (aka Safariman) has just done that.
Now for some facts:
1. On Thursday, December 13, 2012, Mark Claiborne (the seller) and I (the buyer) verbally agreed to the sale of a Winchester Model 71, long tang pre-WW-II rifle for a total price, including shipping of $1,000.00 (the "rifle") (the "contract").
2. On Thursday, December 13, 2012, I mailed check number 450 to Mark Claiborne in the amount of $1,000.00 ("check #450") as full payment for the rifle.
3. Check #450 was received by Mark Claiborne on Saturday, December 15, 2012, according to a private mail that he sent to me on Monday, December 17, 2012.
4. Mark Claiborne talked with me on Monday, December 17, 2012 and described his circumstance at the time. He said that he was dead broke, the $1,000.00 check that I sent to him was a God send, since both of his two automobiles were inoperable, and that he had no money to repair them. He also told me that he was in such poor health that changing the serpentine belt on his wife's car (she is the sole breadwinner, according to him) so that it would operate might be beyond his ability.
5. Previously, Mark Claiborne told me that he had done some repairs to the Model 71 (after I sent the check), and that one of the pins "was still proud", in his words. These repairs were not revealed to me when we formed the contract.
6. Later, Mark Claiborne revealed that the rifle was so dirty, that he would send it to a local gunsmith, and have it thoroughly cleaned at his expense. This from a guy, who just told me that he was dead broke, and could not afford to have his automobiles repaired. This appeared to be a delaying tactic.
7. Mark Claiborne told me via private mail on December 17, 2012, that he could not ship out the rifle in a timely fashion, because his automobiles were inoperable, but that check #450 for $1,000.00 would really come in handy. So, he could not ship the rifle out, but he could deposit the check?
8. Mark Claiborne breached our December 13, 2012 contact doubly, first, when he said that he could not ship the rifle in a timely manner, and second, when he revealed repairs to the rifle and the necessity for cleaning that were not revealed to me prior to the formation of the contract.
9. Since Mark Claiborne could not or would not perform under the contract, I was relieved of my duties under that same contract.
10. Therefore, at 4:00 p. m. EST on Monday, December 17, 2012, I stopped payment of check #450, and informed Mark Claiborne on that day, that I would no longer be purchasing the rifle and to not attempt to cash check #450.
As to the second rifle, the Savage 99, he is correct. I changed my mind, told him that I would not be purchasing it and apologized.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
Ladies and Gentlemen:
One of my favorite tactics when I was practicing law, was to let a witness babble on, while on the stand until they found out they had just BS'd themselves into a corner.
Mark Claiborne (aka Safariman) has just done that.
Now for some facts:
1. On Thursday, December 13, 2012, Mark Claiborne (the seller) and I (the buyer) verbally agreed to the sale of a Winchester Model 71, long tang pre-WW-II rifle for a total price, including shipping of $1,000.00 (the "rifle") (the "contract").
2. On Thursday, December 13, 2012, I mailed check number 450 to Mark Claiborne in the amount of $1,000.00 ("check #450") as full payment for the rifle.
3. Check #450 was received by Mark Claiborne on Saturday, December 15, 2012, according to a private mail that he sent to me on Monday, December 17, 2012.
4. Mark Claiborne talked with me on Monday, December 17, 2012 and described his circumstance at the time. He said that he was dead broke, the $1,000.00 check that I sent to him was a God send, since both of his two automobiles were inoperable, and that he had no money to repair them. He also told me that he was in such poor health that changing the serpentine belt on his wife's car (she is the sole breadwinner, according to him) so that it would operate might be beyond his ability.
5. Previously, Mark Claiborne told me that he had done some repairs to the Model 71 (after I sent the check), and that one of the pins "was still proud", in his words. These repairs were not revealed to me when we formed the contract.
6. Later, Mark Claiborne revealed that the rifle was so dirty, that he would send it to a local gunsmith, and have it thoroughly cleaned at his expense. This from a guy, who just told me that he was dead broke, and could not afford to have his automobiles repaired. This appeared to be a delaying tactic.
7. Mark Claiborne told me via private mail on December 17, 2012, that he could not ship out the rifle in a timely fashion, because his automobiles were inoperable, but that check #450 for $1,000.00 would really come in handy. So, he could not ship the rifle out, but he could deposit the check?
8. Mark Claiborne breached our December 13, 2012 contact doubly, first, when he said that he could not ship the rifle in a timely manner, and second, when he revealed repairs to the rifle and the necessity for cleaning that were not revealed to me prior to the formation of the contract.
9. Since Mark Claiborne could not or would not perform under the contract, I was relieved of my duties under that same contract.
10. Therefore, at 4:00 p. m. EST on Monday, December 17, 2012, I stopped payment of check #450, and informed Mark Claiborne on that day, that I would no longer be purchasing the rifle and to not attempt to cash check #450.
As to the second rifle, the Savage 99, he is correct. I changed my mind, told him that I would not be purchasing it and apologized.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
+1
You're a fugging Classifieds Cowboy bitching about a long time, well respected member here.
I'd happily deal with Mark any time. You, not so much.
To reiterate, GFY!!
Completely opposite of my dealings with Mark. As far as my experience he's one of the good guys.
I would like to hear Mark explain his way around this. After all there are two sides to the story and Mark has told it his way before we got the other side. Now I want to hear the rebuttal.
Tim
You'll have one HELL of a challenge in attempting to cast even the slightest bit of shadow upon the character of safariman. He's about as quality of a man as you'll find anywhere.
Your post only makes me question your integrity...
Yalie, I don't know exactly what happened with this particular transaction but I will say you won't be making many friends around here by bad-mouthing Mark Claiborne. Too many folks around here, myself included, have had nothing but excellent dealings with him. I'd have no problem sending him anything I own on just his word that the check is in the mail.
safariman may well be one of the most polite and well respected people I have come in contact with here on the fire.....either he had a lapse in judgement, or you are full of sh#t.....i would lean towards the latter, however I try not to pass judgement.
The rifle was new to me, but the original owner allowed as how that particualr rifle had always been very stiff to operate which is not how typical older Model 71's run. So, after Yalie and I made a deal for it that I discovered it had a pin in the lever mechanism that was slightly 'proud' from the factory and making the rifles operation a bit sticky. Also that the rifle appeard to be dirty inside from carrying it or having been taken hunting more than once (Imagine that) so yes, I did tell Mr. Yalie or Chris that the money was a Godsend and very much needed due to our dire financial difficulties and TWO cars breaking down that very weekend. Stressed as we were (and largely are) I do not knowingly send out rifles that are not as near to perfect as I can so I advised Yalie that the shipping of hte rifle would be delayed a few days while a nearby gunsmith and good freind of mine dissasembled the rifle and polished down the overly long lever pin and thouroughly cleaned the rifle. This was in no way an attempt to delay a shipping in any nefarious manner, but only to make sure the rifle was in the best working order when recieved by Chris. If Chris had insisted on an immediate shippiing I would have honored that and refunded him whatever the cost was at his end to accomplish the cleaning and polish a pin down. Also, had Chris CALLED me or PM'ed me or E-MAiled to discuss matters we could have come to a gentlemanly agreement. Even if he decided at that time that he did not want the rifle, it would have helped me immeasureably to know that the check was not going to be honored BEFORE I WROTE CHECKS for bills and to other people whom I owed money too. I certainly would have done that for someone else, especially if I knew they needed the money so badly and were counting on that for living expenses. Note that I did not WANT to sell this wonderful rifle, I have always wanted one but life has thrown me some curves. Communication, especially after I had tried many, many times to call and find out what the issue or problem was, would have been imeasureably helpful and proffesional.
As to my wife being the only bread winner, that is mostly true. I now have some of my retirement coming to me under a medical waiver as well as a small amount of money coming in from the renewal of insurance policies I wrote while I was still healthy and in business. I inherited Polycyctic Kidney Disease from my m maternal great grandfather and grandfather. Both of them died from this at exactly age 54, and I will be 53 in a couple of weeks. I am experiencing now the same suffering that I remember seeing my grandfather go through including daily nausea with exhaustion and extreme fatigue, headaches, malaise, and painful gout in my joints from my kidneys only working at about 1/3 capacity and allowing much poison to remain in my bloodstream. My Kidneys are full of cysts, which makes me feel like I have kidney stones all of the time. Very painful. I wear a TENS neural stumulator most of the time to try and innterupt the pain signals to my brain from my low back and kidneys, and I have on hand several leveal of Opiate based and other strong pain killers of which I take at least one every four hours of my life inlcuding Lortab, Norco, Ultram, Dilauted and Oxycontin. I also have nasty tasting lolipops that slowly leak pain killer into my system through my mouth and Lidocaine patches that I wear on my spinal column to ease my pain. So yes, I can no longer work and have to relay on my wifes meager income and this is very hard on my emotionally as well as financially. I used to be one of the top insurance salesmen in the NATION. Earning huge commisions each and every month and travelling the world to hunt the biggest and baddest of game animals. My new reality has taken much getting used to, and even typing this stuff right now (Which I should not have been coerced into doing, but I feel neccesary now) is upsetting me not a little.
Between the poison in my system from my failing kidneys and the constant barrage of painkillers my cognition is also suffering and this causes me great distress as my IQ at one time was 148, but is probably no where near that of late. I and my longsuffering wife are noticing that my ability to "Track" conversations and directions ncluding while driving is not so good of late nor is my short term memory very good any more. Writing this explanation is taking a long time, and requires much concentration and thought.
So, now we have it. Yes, Yalie bialed on another deal before and has addmitted to it, and I am still holding onto a check that he wrote me for a deal he made me and then reniged with NO CONVERSATION BEFOREHAND OR EXPLANATION BEFORE OR AFTER UNTIL TODAY! A check that I thought, since it was in my possesion, I could then write checks upon for bills and such the weekend I had it before I got the brief, terse notice that payment had been stopped with no explanation as to why. I do not ocnsider this to be a proffesional or reasonable to conduct onesself in this or any other forum and I have been warning my freinds here to simply use caution if dealing with this self absorbed "Yale Graduate" classifieds only poster and 'contributor.
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
One more thing. Mark, I need your address, I've got some 250 Savage ammo that I want to send you as a gesture of goodwill to hopefully restore your faith a little bit for this BUTT ZIT calling you out. It's time for men that know mark to stand up.
So Yalie, by his admission, is a lawyer....nuff said.
Mark is a man of honor and character.
Lawyers have a way of twisting the truth since they are unable to accept, or recognize the same.
Will Rogers never met a lawyer......
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
Great post FB!
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
Great post FB!
I'd like to whip that guys azz just to watch him grovel.
Typical Callout thread. Classifieds ranger calls out well respected forum member. Mark like others have said you have nothing but my respect and admiration. Yalie can foad as far as i'm concerned.
BTW Mark, sent you a PM on that Model 71
DID YOU NOTICE THAT MARK NEVER CALLED THE DICKFA%E OUT THAT RENIGED ON HIM? IM WITH MARK ON THIS ONE...NUFF SAID
Possibly good guys on both ends but we're talking about a model 71 here. Seems to me ANY alteration to the gun should have been worked out between the parties before it was touched by anyone, including the seller. We all have our personal issues, health, financial, etc. none of which is relevant here or makes 2 cents difference in a gun deal.
Communication is often the problem in deals gone bad here in spite of all the best intentions.
I have a feeling Yalie wrote this great post sitting in some whitey-tighties sipping red wine by a fireplace with his pinky out.
GFY.
Mark is Good to Go, I bought a Daewoo DP51 from him and it was perfect. I will always deal with Mark.
now Yalie! I already bitched at you earlier this week for Stupid AZZ posts in the classifieds, you act like a 10 year old, you sure you are a lawyer?? you surely ain't and yeah I said Ain't MAKING NO FRIENDS HERE punk!
picking on Mark
When I read this initial post early this AM I saw this headed in a very bad direction for the OP. Opening the post by telling people you are an attorney, is going to lead most to believe that you think pretty highly of yourself, and you believe that you are smarter than most of those around this fire. If that is the case, that type of arrogance is not going to sit well with most, regardless of if they have had dealings with Mark or not.
I have dealt with Mark on two separate times, and with one, it did take a little more time to get the items than I expected. However, it didn't make any difference to me when I got them, and he kept me appraised of what was going on. Regardless, there was never a doubt in my mind that things would have been made right in the end. The first transaction with him was flawless. Based on now hearing both sides of the story, it sounds to me like the OP should have just decided that he should have chalked this up as an experience he was not comfortable with, and left it lie. However, maybe arrogance would not allow that. I have no dog in this fight, just voicing my observations I guess.
The one thing that I do think could very easily be overlooked is the fact that this whole disagreement is over an early Winchester model 71 long tang that was selling for 1000.00. Haven't seen pics of that rifle, but I do know that Mark told me about it when we were dealing during the above mentioned contacts. Maybe I should have inquired a little further at that time. I don't know how many folks have looked at the Winchester 71's and their pricing, but if that rifle was a solid, honestly used rifle, that is certainly a fair buy IMO. I don't think that I would have been quite so eager to terminate that agreement if Mark was simply saying he wanted to make sure it was gtg.
Ladies and Gentlemen:
One of my favorite tactics when I was practicing law, was to let a witness babble on, while on the stand until they found out they had just BS'd themselves into a corner.
This applies far more to you than anyone else in this thread including Mark. The rest of your babble isn't worth repeating.
A lawyer friend once told me to never sell a lawyer anything of significant value because if he becomes dissatisfied he can sue you for free.
I have a feeling Yalie wrote this great post sitting in some whitey-tighties sipping red wine by a fireplace with his pinky out.
GFY.
Dude .... That is too funny!
However, I'm a little concerned with exactly HOW this image came to you!
Moral of the story, Don't take a friggin' check from Yalie.....
Imagine that, a politician in waiting with nothing to say.....
Pretty funny, this fugging putz screws Mark over twice, once by reneging on the 99 and once by cancelling the check and he has the balls to try to portray Mark as the bad guy here.
John Boy, I think you may be right about this loser being a politician in waiting.
Nice try Counselor!
Seems as though Mark has developed some loyal friends here at the 'Fire.
Mark invests himself in his dealings and MAKES friends, and therefore deserves the benefit of the doubt whenever anything like this comes up. He does a good job.
The lawyer on the other hand is just a cheapo pot-shot sniper that thinks his wit and "superior" intellect will carry him when his character fails him.
Yes, he is a truely trustworthy gentleman. And he can sing to boot. I've got on of his CD's to prove it.....
By the way Yalie, if you're going to prosecute this properly please add the EXACT time to go with your dates. you might sway the public opinion, but don't hold your breath..........
This self-outing thread should more aptly be titled "The Yalie/Chris Bemis Experience".
Highly doubtful the OP is a product of Yale Law School as inferred.
The claim of 'breach of contract' is as meritless as it is humorous.
Possibly good guys on both ends but we're talking about a model 71 here. Seems to me ANY alteration to the gun should have been worked out between the parties before it was touched by anyone, including the seller. We all have our personal issues, health, financial, etc. none of which is relevant here or makes 2 cents difference in a gun deal.
Communication is often the problem in deals gone bad here in spite of all the best intentions.
This
I have done two deals with Mark. Both went vey smooth!!! I forgot to mail a check on one item. I contacted him and he was very easy to deal with.
I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that not only a breach of contract but consequent damages are together required in order for the claimant to prevail in a court of law. The OP did not suffer any damages as far as I can tell from the presentation. So, the OP can GFY.
I have dealt with Mark on two separate occasions, and both went off flawlessly. I cannot speak to the character of the OP, but Mark is GTG in my book and I would not hesitate to deal with him again.
I have pictures of the Model 71, and Mark's description was much harsher than the condition of the rifle. We traded pistols, what I received was in better condition than he described. Look up Mark's posts and the replies, his reputation in the Campfire is well known, and well respected.
I'll take Mark's word and his back, any time, any where.
I'll trade with safariman any time. I've enjoyed his posts and anybody can tell by reading them that he is one of the good guys and that he truly cares. Yalie just earned a spot on my ignore list. 2nd one today, BTW.
i'd deal with mark anyday. class guy all the way. honest and open and communicates very well during a deal.
I'll take Mark's word and his back, any time, any where.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.
I'm a rather new guy here, but I can tell you it doesn't take long to figure out who the good folks are.
I do know that Mark has a stellar reputation here and from what I understand, for very good reason. I am very empathetic of a man who not only is dealing with a very bad hand that life has dealt him, but also feels compelled to lay it all out there in an attempt to defend his reputation.
Mark, I'm a phone call or email away should you ever need ANYTHING.
Bob
Mark is as honest as they come.....sorry you're having to deal with this BS!
I haven't quite figured out what the actual "call out" was about.
Did Yalie actually lose his money?
Did Mark refuse to send the gun?
Did Yalie ever contact Mark in a normal fashion and tell him how upset that he was?
Mark has treated me well here. He once sent me an email scan of an article that I didn't have access to.
I haven't quite figured out what the actual "call out" was about.
Did Yalie actually lose his money?
Did Mark refuse to send the gun?
Did Yalie ever contact Mark in a normal fashion and tell him how upset that he was?
Mark has treated me well here. He once sent me an email scan of an article that I didn't have access to.
No
No
And NO
I've known Mark for more than 20 years. He has never been anything but straight up and honest and a good friend. We have traded guns and books and saddles and more stuff than I can remember. Even in the pain of his current medical condition he shared a day of duck hunting in one of his favorite spots last year that I will not soon forget.
Yalie, you should hope to have have the credibility and honor of Mark.
Mart
Yalie and his smug "lawyer" speek turns my stomach.
Safariman is an honest guy, dealing with some hard times.
Yalie, GFY.
Yalie; "one of your favorite tactics" is NOT working. You picked one of the most trusted members on this forum to use your "tactic"; I suggest trying a new tactic called honest communication.
Yalie,
GFY and never return to 24 hr campfire again. End of discussion...
Another on the ignoramus list........
Your absence of a reply speaks volumes. My late father was an attorney, and I never respected him in that regard. I grew up around the law profession and heard and watched the fuggings they doled out, then were proud of.
You Ivy-League snot...know this...
Many here have had multiple dealings with Mark over years, all done open and above board and in legal fashion. Mark and I have traded and sold guns to each other a number of times, all through FFL dealers and all in an honest manner.
I was late shipping and sending payment many times, and Mark was patient always. He has always been true to his word, as have I. We do things this way here.
As a Classified lurker you should know this.
I'm glad to learn you're an attorney. I wouldn't give you a breath of air if you were suffocating. You would find some way to twist the gesture and sue me.
So, why didn't you express your concerns to Mark at the time instead of ignoring his PMs, emails and even phone calls?
Oh, yeah...GFY again.
Mark is as honest as they come.....sorry you're having to deal with this BS!
+1
I had deals with Mark and he never let me down.
I'll take Mark's word and his back, any time, any where.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.
This.
Mark is good people. YOU, not so much.
DMc
Screw that Yalie a-hole.
Can we talk about the model 71 now?
P
Speaking of the lil douche, whered he go? Typical classifieds cowboy...stir up a hornets nest and bolt. You dont come to the fire and start schitt with folks that are in as good a standing and looked up to like Mark without expecting a firefight. So in the words of many others here.....GFY!!
Mark,
Sorry to hear you are recently in a slump. If there is anything I can do to help just say the word. Dont worry about this azzhole Yalie, he is just confused as hell with his law degree that he got in his last box of Cheerio's.
Ladies and Gentlemen:
One of my favorite tactics when I was practicing law, was to let a witness babble on, while on the stand until they found out they had just BS'd themselves into a corner.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
"was practicing"?
What happened,disbarred?For being a dikhead?
There was no reason to write this.As you see Safariman is well liked here.Reasonable people would have handled this with much more class.
ESAD
Let me see....d*uch* bag renigs on one deal...
d*uch* bag stops check on second deal...
d*uch* bag fails to communicate with seller....
d*uch* bag then tries to slander well respected member here in some kind of first strike defensive posture?
D*UCH* BAG ENDS UP CALLING HIMSELF OUT.....
AZZ-Hole....Hope this thread lasts long enough for every member here at the Campfire to get a chance to judge your character...
GFY
Mark,
Sorry to hear you are recently in a slump. If there is anything I can do to help just say the word. Dont worry about this azzhole Yalie, he is just confused as hell with his law degree that he got in his last box of Cheerio's.
Not much more can be said about Mark that hasn't already been said. He is a great guy. The same goes for me Mark. Best wishes brother
I've dealt with and have exchanged a lot of correspondence with Mark and certainly don't have any complaints.
How's things working out for you Yalie? Not so good huh?
Smug azz lawyers like yourself sure are mental migets when it comes to common sense as indicated by your own post.
I've never had a dealing with Mark but I do know by his conduct on this site that I would not hesitate to do so if he was selling something I wanted.
You I wouldn't piss on if you were on fire....unless I had been drinking gasoline.
Yalie is an ass-hole.
Had one deal with him, accused me of [bleep] screwing him, in a nasty email. His pattern is consistent, an asswipe is an asswipe.
If one ever has the displeasure to speak with him on the phone, he will tell you what a great machinist/gunsmith he is.
He is a pontificating, self aggrandizing POS! JMHO.
Oh, and he got all his money back plus.
Mark was first class in the transaction I had with him. Everything was just as stated.
Further more as mark stated, communication is the key to most every deal
Yalie-1
SafariMan-64
Looks like I better get Yalie on the ignore list. Notice he hasnt returned after his failed attempt to ignite the crowd against Mark.
I sent Mark a junker of a .22 once and he didn't like it. It was real cheap, but he still didn't like it and I gladly took it back. He wasn't mad, I was a bit embarrassed, but no one got hurt. Mark has an open invitation to me to came and spend time with him at my leisure, and I just may take him up on it sometime...
Not all incomplete transactions need to be sour. I always allow the buyer his determination of anything I sell and I demand satisfaction or return the item. I honestly think Mark would deliver anything I would get from him in person if I wanted it bad enough...
And Shrapnel returned a 25/35 saddle riing carbine that I sold him once. No problems or angst or anger. Open communication and wanting the best for the other person plus trying to do what is right works for me, and many others (most , I would venture) here at this site. It is not hard, and certainly does not require a Yale law degree to figure out.
Shrapnel, if you wanted my Model 57 22 I would absolutely deliver, so long as there was a bit of prarie dog shooting at that end of the journey included in the deal!
To all, I am overwhelmed and blessed by the overwhelming support I have seen here. Thank you to each. I realy was trying to make the deal with Yalie better than originally agreed to, not worse by paying for a cleanup etc out of my own pocket so that when he got his model 71 he would be thrilled and tickeled with it.
I hope all of you have a great Lords day today,
MARK
Man, there ya go. Everyone knows the man Mark is. And now we all know the man Yalie is. He's been on ignore since this started. His response to my PM about this was lame.
Man, there ya go. Everyone knows the man Mark is. And now we all know the man Yalie is. He's been on ignore since this started. His response to my PM about this was lame.
+ 1 my Oregon brother..
Mark,
Polycystic kidney disease runs in my wife's family. It killed her dad, his sister (her aunt), and her grandfather as well as numerous cousins. Luckily, she didn't inherit it but her 54 yr old brother did and he is on his second kidney transplant and her nephew also suffers from it so we know what devastation and suffering it inflicts upon a family. We will put you into our prayers, I wouldn't wish that [bleep] on my worst enemy and am really sorry that you inherited it.
The buyer reneged in 4 days because the seller was having the gun professionally cleaned? And the seller was safariman? Puts a stop payment rather than email, message or call?
Methinks stinks. I've had the odd issue or two on the classifieds but good communication clears everything up. Four days?
Mark,
Polycystic kidney disease runs in my wife's family. It killed her dad, his sister (her aunt), and her grandfather as well as numerous cousins. Luckily, she didn't inherit it but her 54 yr old brother did and he is on his second kidney transplant and her nephew also suffers from it so we know what devastation and suffering it inflicts upon a family. We will put you into our prayers, I wouldn't wish that [bleep] on my worst enemy and am really sorry that you inherited it.
Thank you, freind. Few know how much illness this thing puts one through, or how often fatal it is. God is in control however and HE will write the last chapters of my life, however HE so chooses and I am OK with however that looks or how long or short this last chapter might be. Prayers appreciated.
MARK
Mark,
You have my prayers for your struggle.
I'm battling stage IV Lymphoma myself, and when the good Lord decides to call me home, it will be a time of celebration.
In His time, at His will.
Amen my Brother.
Yalie,
Any closing statements?
Tack
I think someone gave him a GFY earlier and he really did....
Yalie,
Any closing statements?
Tack
The only closing statement he should be making is an apology.
Not all of us are bad...
Yalie, you may as well delete this site from your favorites list, and forget about us here. Cause you just took a massive sh*t were you could have possibly dined.
Goodbye.
Safariman - Never met him, but Good People in my book, based only on a few years of reading his posts about guns, hunting, family, and so on.
Yalie - GFY
Yalie,
Any closing statements?
Tack
Will be of no benefit.
Appears counselor has alienated the jury.
One would thunk that was covered in juris doctor schooling.
Yalie, you may as well delete this site from your favorites list, and forget about us here. Cause you just took a massive sh*t were you could have possibly dined.
Goodbye.
Truer words never spoken! I can't imagine anyone ever doing business with Yalie on this site ever again.
If Yalie,
would have done "Due Diligents"
He would have seen that Mark was called out at the beginning of this last round of mag and ammo scare. There was someone who didnt like his price on mags and really thought he would mess with Mark
Well it also didnt work so well the 24Hour Possee came out and stood up for one of their good guys
It was all right there
I posted than same as now I have never delt with Mark but have learned from him and who his frinds are
Yalie,
Again "Due Diligents" is Key
Mark I wish you the best on you health
Hank
I had the pleasre to meet Mark at the hog hunt and had different converstions. I have never seen him write about anybody or say a cross word about anyone. I AM PROUD TO HAVE MET HIM AND SAY HE IS ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS.
Not all of us are bad...
Don't feel bad CLB, Steelie hates everyone.
Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is.
One of my favorite tactics when I was practicing law, was to let a witness babble on, while on the stand until they found out they had just BS'd themselves into a corner.
You must be said witness.
How'd that work out for ya? I see you are no longer "practicing law".
I also see why.............
Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is.
Huge +1. The prissy little bitch has 246 posts to his name-----------maybe 10 of which aren't in the Classifieds, then waits until four months after a fumbled transaction with one of the Campfire's most sterling members to come out of left field with this BS thread. That he's a lawyer comes as no surprise........
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Inscribed on the porcelain facility at a previous abode:..."BEMIS".....now that kinda says it all.
I wonder why we haven't heard a defense from the prosecution?
I was hoping for a while that Rick would poof this thread, but it just goes to reinforce the self-policing that goes on here. Someone who comes on this board just to stir up chit will get more chit back than they dish out. Eventually they slink off into oblivion.
Works for me!
Myron
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Nailed it, one more for the ignore list.
Me in the pic with a pre-64 Model 70 that I bought from Mark.
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RAS,
Great picture! I am so glad you are putting that 257 Roberts to use and work. Nice buck, too.
I love it when some dirt bag shows up and slings crap and when it splatters him he disappears .
Not all of us are bad...
Don't feel bad CLB, Steelie hates everyone.
Was just poking fun at him. scott and I are cool!
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
The prissy little bitch has 246 posts to his name-----------maybe 10 of which aren't in the Classifieds, then waits until four months after a fumbled transaction with one of the Campfire's most sterling members to come out of left field with this BS thread. That he's a lawyer comes as no surprise........
To be completely fair, Yalie's thread didn't come completely out of left field. Mark called him out in one or two other threads, which resulted in this one.
Everything else you said is spot on, so don't think that I am defending Yalie. He's a bottom-feeder that seems to get his kicks from backing out of deals. Thankfully, this thread should save others from his headaches in future transactions.
The prissy little bitch has 246 posts to his name-----------maybe 10 of which aren't in the Classifieds, then waits until four months after a fumbled transaction with one of the Campfire's most sterling members to come out of left field with this BS thread. That he's a lawyer comes as no surprise........
To be completely fair, Yalie's thread didn't come completely out of left field. Mark called him out in one or two other threads, which resulted in this one.
Everything else you said is spot on, so don't think that I am defending Yalie. He's a bottom-feeder that seems to get his kicks from backing out of deals.
Thankfully, this thread should save others from his headaches in future transactions.
Don't bet on it as he will be back operating under another name. Just look at how many times Larry Root has came back as someone else.
Don't bet on it as he will be back operating under another name. Just look at how many times Larry Root has came back as someone else.
If we knew his actual name, that problem would be easy enough to avoid. Yalie might sue someone for posting it, though.
Chris Bemis
I even have his address, phone number and wifes name from his bad check, still in my possesion of course.
Chris Bemis
I even have his address, phone number and wifes name from his bad check, still in my possesion of course.
Mark,
My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek, since Chris signed his original post. I am sorry that you got caught up in a mess with him. You're a good guy who deserves much, much better.
Thanks, no sweat on my end, as this actually turned into a blessing for me. I am stunned and seriously humbled by the outpouring of freindship and support. All I try to do is be a bit more than fair, proffesional and kind. I am no where near perfect at all of that, but I try and I guess that plays well here.
And my comment was a bit tongue in cheek as well, as I have NO intent to publish Chris's wife's name or his address. Just no need of any of that. This can and should probably just die down now with some of us a bit the wiser.
Mark, like many others, you have professed to be a Christian. Unlike many others, you actually live the life you believe in.This outpouring of freindship and support is a by-product of that...
As soon as you said you were a lawyer all the respect I had for went right out the window,oh wait I didn't respect ya in the first place.
I've never done business with Mark,as current US laws make cross border trading or even buying and selling difficult.Several times while dealing with his illness he has taken the time and effort to contact me and enquire as to how I'm doing with my own.There are a number of Campfire members that I would give up my left arm to be able to meet and sit down and chat with before my time comes.Mark is one of them. Monashee
The prissy little bitch has 246 posts to his name-----------maybe 10 of which aren't in the Classifieds, then waits until four months after a fumbled transaction with one of the Campfire's most sterling members to come out of left field with this BS thread. That he's a lawyer comes as no surprise........
To be completely fair, Yalie's thread didn't come completely out of left field. Mark called him out in one or two other threads, which resulted in this one.
Everything else you said is spot on, so don't think that I am defending Yalie. He's a bottom-feeder that seems to get his kicks from backing out of deals. Thankfully, this thread should save others from his headaches in future transactions.
Fair enough. There's enough drama on the 'Fire lately that I'm sure I've missed quite a bit of it.
My guess is Democratic shill trying to find out how much Mark has bought and sold...
PLEASE NOTE: The following link leads offsite to a video that contains language not suitable for children. I did not make this video nor do I own any of the rights to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssC77hapv0gSorry, I read this thread and felt this video was an appropriate summarization of the fire's feelings on this topic.
All I can say about Mark is that world would be alot better place if more of us were like Mark, he's a class act, men like Mark you only run across once in a life time, I'm proud to call him my friend, if he ever needs anything I hope he's not to proud to ask for my help. Greg
Back when I was a practicing cowboy, one of my favorite tactics when dealing with self absorbed narcissistic gasbags was to let them inflate themselves to the point of critical mass distension. I would then encourage them to visit one of the local institutions of cultural learning and hands on education, like, say, the Hell Creek Bar, where they then, were persuaded to lecture the unwashed locals.
Virtually all left with a JD - just drubbed. ;-{>8
I'm enjoyin the verdict. Might even resemble justice.
The main reason I played so much golf in law school was because pricks like Chris Bemis roamed the halls and had absolutely zero awareness of their douche bag personality. I've communicated with Mark more than once and he's good people. And so am I and EricM and several other lawyers on the forum. It's self-rightous azzholes like Bemis that (regretfully) give the rest of us a bad name.
Dont know Safariman and have never done a deal with him but wouldn't hesitate to take him at his word on what he had. Hell if I was selling and he wanted it I would even be inclined to deliver solely on his word that the money would show when he was able. Mark isn't the kind of guy that stiffs another and I have zero doubt the funds would follow shortly.
Hell if i remember correctly a few years ago Mark was looking for a fishing boat and had found one in my AO. It was a few hundred dollars out of his price range but seeing as how I was driving through his AO a week later I offered to buy it and deliver on my way through. Told him to pay what he could and send the rest when he had it.
Zero qualms with the offer I made and would do the same tomorrow without second thought. I know Mark will make good on any dealings.
Still hoping to share a meal with Mark if not a mule deer hunt one October as we both deer hunt within an hour of each other.
Mark is extremely difficult to deal with. He posted a fine SXS shotgun and could not post photos... That is unreasonable. It made me look at the odds and decide I needed it, particularly because the price was very right.
He did a poor job of describing the gun because it was far better than he described. Then to top it off I thought his price, shipped, was too low and insisted on paying shipping. He would only let me split it with him... Every step was a problem!
Mark is extremely difficult to deal with. He posted a fine SXS shotgun and could not post photos... That is unreasonable. It made me look at the odds and decide I needed it, particularly because the price was very right.
He did a poor job of describing the gun because it was far better than he described. Then to top it off I thought his price, shipped, was too low and insisted on paying shipping. He would only let me split it with him... Every step was a problem!
For sure with problems like this I wonder what a good deal with Mark would be like, no better guy to deal with than Mark. Yalie take your azz somewhere else and poison some other forum, your done on 24 hour, theres only one other person you could have called out on here to get more people pissed at you and on your [bleep] list and that would have been RickBin
Sheesh man it sure pays to communicate. You're now on my ignore list and you'll likely find it easiest to just make yourself scarce around here.
Mark is, as others have said, one of the finest fellows around here and the least likely to do what you claim he did. If you'd have called and talked with him you'd know that. If you contributed elsewhere on the 'fire you'd know this as well.
As far as I care, you oughta take a long walk off a short pier. Your name is mud.
These private matters can and should be kept private, but you being a big Yale grad probably already "knew" that, huh? Well... you certainly ought to get it now...
I never met Mark or even any of you. But iv'e read the posts on 24 for quite abit and would be proud to share a campfire with any of you. True gentlemen of the highest caliber.
Yallie there's no place here for bottom feeders.
Clearly nobody at Yale dishes out ass whoopings for those in need of one.
Not surprising.
Clearly nobody at Yale dishes out ass whoopings for those in need of one.
Not surprising.
Something tells me this guy is a glutton for punishment. All this isn't going to deter him.
I'm sure he is crafting a lawsuit right now... you just earned yourself a libel charge!
Nothing new here. Yalie has been full of chit for a very long time.
Pretty much sums up this thread.
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Yep. Amazing what happens when a man lets it all hang out in public... this sort of thing is to be expected.
And it is apparent the resident ivy-leaguer is a witness to the train wreck that is his excuse-making:
Yalie (Member #23598)
User Registered On: 05/19/09 06:10 PM
Last Online: 57 minutes 56 seconds ago
I for one love the fact that this is a self-policing site. This is a case of just that.
Mark is extremely difficult to deal with. He posted a fine SXS shotgun and could not post photos... That is unreasonable. It made me look at the odds and decide I needed it, particularly because the price was very right.
He did a poor job of describing the gun because it was far better than he described. Then to top it off I thought his price, shipped, was too low and insisted on paying shipping. He would only let me split it with him... Every step was a problem!
That and he traded his Ford for a Chevy!!
spent two weeks taking in the "safariman experience" a month ago......be hard pressed to find a finer individual....didnt know me from a stranger and opened up his home to me.....dont think it is possible for that man to intentionally screw over someone else.....
After I'm off this course of anti-biotics need to stop by and see Mr & Mrs Mark. Mary needs to see the cats now that she's mobile!!!
(he's the closest guy I know who has cats) ...
Don't know if ground squrirrel shooting will happen this year ...
After I'm off this course of anti-biotics need to stop by and see Mr & Mrs Mark. Mary needs to see the cats now that she's mobile!!!
(he's the closest guy I know who has cats) ...
Don't know if ground squrirrel shooting will happen this year ...
those cats wanted to love up on me but im highly allergic......Milo tried to whip my arse the whole time i was there though.....walked in expecting him to be a lover like our weasel but he decided i needed my arse whooped and commenced to try and beat the hell out of me the whole time i was there.....
Pretty much sums up this thread.
+1...you said it.
Yalie, I don't know why but you remind me of a couple of guys that came to my house to buy a canoe. The canoe was in great condition with a few minor scratches. It was one of those plastic types. Don't know the exact material. Anyway, I had it priced to sell. The guy buying it was concerned about leaks. I told him the canoe was obviously in almost new condition, but he really wanted to work on me about the price.
I said no way, take it or leave it. His buddy chimes in and says that the guy buying it is a lawyer, so it better be right. I told them both to GFY. It's not for sale to them.
Sold the canoe the next day.
yalie, you came to mind when I read your original post. Now GFY.
Halie ur an azz hat! Sue me
He's obviously part of the 99% of lawyers that give the 1% a bad name.
We have some good guy lawyers on the fire.
So we have a need here and in the generous campfire spirit we need to do something about it so who's with me on flooding Safariman's mailbox with gifts of love!
Somebody PM me an address please :-)
Mike
You gotta be kidding...
Send your 'gifts of love' to your local hospice. They really need it. I know ours does.
So we have a need here and in the generous campfire spirit we need to do something about it so who's with me on flooding Safariman's mailbox with gifts of love!
Somebody PM me an address please :-)
Mike
Mark declined my earlier offer of 250-3000 ammo, showing once more why this thread is justified.
He's obviously part of the 99% of lawyers that give the 1% a bad name.
That's why they're 1%ers.
I would be willing to donate $500 to mark so he could get his cars fixed
You gotta be kidding...
Send your 'gifts of love' to your local hospice. They really need it. I know ours does.
No I was serious, the man has a need and I believe instead of talking...doing!
Mike
So we have a need here and in the generous campfire spirit we need to do something about it so who's with me on flooding Safariman's mailbox with gifts of love!
Somebody PM me an address please :-)
Mike
Mark declined my earlier offer of 250-3000 ammo, showing once more why this thread is justified.
I have no doubt he did, I wouldn't ask him for his address. I wouldn't want to see a big thread announcing "gifts" given I would just like the opportunity to send a brother a gift. i have no doubt if the shoe was on the other foot he would help me out, has offered help on other matters already as a matter of fact.
Mike
PM to you ready on the right
Not a 1000 post campfire guru but I have dealt with yalie and he was stand up all the way...if that means anything. I dont know what happens but as a person who does not have a G to throw around,I value a smooth transaction. Internet sales are inherently risky and require a tremendous amount of trust. A seller needs to be upfront with information and give the seller options if conditions change and not come up with a bunch of "story" after the fact. At the same time a mans word and honor mean little these days therefore the buyer has the burden of establishing some ground rules to the transaction.
No sides just a perspective.
[quote=stangfish] A seller needs to be upfront with information and give the seller options if conditions change and not come up with a bunch of "story" after the fact. At the same time a mans word and honor mean little these days therefore the buyer has the burden of establishing some ground rules to the transaction.
No sides just a perspective. [/quote)
Im a true beleiver what Mike was trying to do is make sure the gun was 110%. He was ready to pay to have it cleaned and to make sure the proud pin was taking care of before the rifle was shipped out to the buyer. The condition didnt change but for the better which who as a buyer would have a problem with that. If the Safariman Experience is a bad experience I wish I would have more bad experiences like this. Everytime I read the start of this thread I get more and more pissed off over this. Like #6 on the first thread, what does yalie care where Mark was coming up with the money to get it cleaned, Mark could have shipped it dirty to him but here again Mark wanted to make sure the gun was 110%. Breach of contract, kiss my azz yalie, he didnt breach any contract with you, everything has to be a contract with a laywer, why is that? Just remember campfire not all guys from PA are like yalie. Just sold a scope on here 2 weeks ago to mistem and recieved the check on the 15th and said I would ship the day the funds arrived, went and had major foot surgery on the 16th and wife said she would ship while I was in the hospital which she didnt and I was unable to ship the scope till the 22nd and he never called me out and said I breach our contract. This whole thing about Mark just pisses me off, a stand up guy like this that all he wanted to do is make sure the buyer was happy. What pisses me off the most is that Mark wrote checks out for things he needed probley to deal with his health and yalie stopped payment on the check to mess him up.
I understand that. But two wrongs don't make a right. I expect the leaders, guys with maturity to put a stop to the wrongs not perpetuate them. So Yalie jumped the gun. As if none of the rest of has made a mistake before.
Why not do the right thing and say. "Mike has an excellent reputation and is highly thought of around here. I think you may have jumped the gun Yalie but that is my opinion. You should take this offline before things get ugly."
Ugly it got. People threatening to make the campfire world difficult for yalie...really? One day he could offer some sound legal advice to someone on here making him a valued poster. I understand a thief catching some grief on the fire, but a guy who allowed intuition and emotion to get the best of him being ostrisized to the level of some of the post I read? Judjment of this individual has been extreme. We may all hate lawyers...until we need one.
I normaly get deeply involved in a forum I join or participate in. I like helping others and getting information from some of the broad experiences that people have to offer. Call outs are common and widely acceppted here. So I keep to myself as much as I can. I guess I am just to old for this type of comunication.
I regret that I have openened myself up for attack just by not saying the popular thing. I feel retribution coming just for not being on the side of the majority.
I'll finish by saying that the way a person handles themself in public says much about ones chartacter, If that means anything anymore.
I see where you're coming from and don't think any less of you for it. I also understand (empathize with) Gemby as that call-out REALLY touched a nerve for me.
These things have all showed me that we need to do everything we can do communicate when things appear to be going sideways; that goes for longstanding guys w/ great reputations as well as newbies who want a good rep.
Calling out in public like this ought to be the absolute last resort after calling authorities and not getting anywhere.
I don't think that anybody here needs to make life difficult for Yalie; he did that for himself. We around here have a long memory for stuff like this and I for one ain't gonna do business with a drama queen no matter how many good transactions he has had in the past. I just don't wanta risk being tainted and having the headache.
The fact that Mark told him about his dire circumstances and that he was working to ensure a good transaction only compounds all of this. Mark didn't call Yalie out; it was vice/versa. Remember that.
He is also watching all this go down and has yet to make a public apology, which would in my mind go a long way toward rectifying this thing:
Yalie (Member #23598)
User
Registered On: 05/19/09 06:10 PM
Last Online: 35 minutes 41 seconds ago
I understand that. But two wrongs don't make a right. I expect the leaders, guys with maturity to put a stop to the wrongs not perpetuate them. So Yalie jumped the gun. As if none of the rest of has made a mistake before.
Why not do the right thing and say. "Mike has an excellent reputation and is highly thought of around here. I think you may have jumped the gun Yalie but that is my opinion. You should take this offline before things get ugly."
Ugly it got. People threatening to make the campfire world difficult for yalie...really? One day he could offer some sound legal advice to someone on here making him a valued poster. I understand a thief catching some grief on the fire, but a guy who allowed intuition and emotion to get the best of him being ostrisized to the level of some of the post I read? Judjment of this individual has been extreme. We may all hate lawyers...until we need one.
I normaly get deeply involved in a forum I join or participate in. I like helping others and getting information from some of the broad experiences that people have to offer. Call outs are common and widely acceppted here. So I keep to myself as much as I can. I guess I am just to old for this type of comunication.
I regret that I have openened myself up for attack just by not saying the popular thing. I feel retribution coming just for not being on the side of the majority.
I'll finish by saying that the way a person handles themself in public says much about ones chartacter, If that means anything anymore.
Having dealt with Yalie, and read the email he sent, I would not let him represent me....He is a [bleep] arshole and he knows it.
Mark, on the other hand is a good guy all the way around. I was fortunate enough to have a hand in his 416 Rigby stock, that was reshaped and finished by Karnis.
Chris Bemis can kiss my arse!
Not a 1000 post campfire guru but I have dealt with yalie and he was stand up all the way...if that means anything. I dont know what happens but as a person who does not have a G to throw around,I value a smooth transaction. Internet sales are inherently risky and require a tremendous amount of trust. A seller needs to be upfront with information and give the seller options if conditions change and not come up with a bunch of "story" after the fact. At the same time a mans word and honor mean little these days therefore the buyer has the burden of establishing some ground rules to the transaction.
No sides just a perspective.
See both you and Yalie have 99.97% of your posts on this forum in the classified section. Contributing much to the forum other than using it like Gunbroker? Safariman does.
A simple check of the reputation of Mark would be easy to establish by reviewing his postings, responses by other, well respected and long time members to those posts and perhaps looking at what his transaction history was on here.
I think a pretty valid gauge of Mark's character can be established by the fact he took a PERSONAL check from a guy he'd never met, never done business with and whom had already reneged on a deal with him. He expected Yalie to be a man of principle and honor, not a POS who cancels checks without notifying the man ahead of time. I will take a personal check from folks I have done business with previously or know well; all others have to send secured funds to protect both our interests. That Mark chose to accept a personal check from a stranger speaks VOLUMES as to his integrity and that Yalie canceled that check shows his complete lack of integrity.
Yalie's post on this subject says all we need to know; his first paragraph insults Mark and accuses him of basically being a babbling, lying, deceitful crook while the rest of his post shares many personal details that Mark may or may not have wanted to have made public.
You go ahead and buy from whom you choose and the vast majority of others who know Mark much better than I do (never met the man, talked to him or had any dealings with him) continue to vouch for his character. Yalie already illuminated his character here for all to see; to be vulgar, he showed his arse and no-one likes to see that ever.
This thread was great!!! I've never seen so many grown people act like children. Both sides.
Grow the [bleep] up, everyone.
...if that means anything.
No offense to you but it means nothing, Yalie burnt his bridges here. Not only did he jump the gun but he used his "I'm a lawyer so don't [bleep] with me" card and tried to slander a well liked and generous member, that does not bode well here.
Yalie has forever printed a "he's a [bleep] head" picture in my mind.
[bleep] off Yalie.
does anyone know where yalie does his lawyering at here in PA? Want to make sure I never send anyone to him or use him.
G-man, A large portion of my communications are PM. I am fallible and on the campfire you will take a beating for that. As you can see my big mistake was suggesting something other than vigilante justice. [bleep], most of you have guns. I better stop while I am alive!!! LOL
Guys................. I'm PRETTY SURE YALIE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!
hope he dosent come back, now or ever
G-man, A large portion of my communications are PM. I am fallible and on the campfire you will take a beating for that. As you can see my big mistake was suggesting something other than vigilante justice. [bleep], most of you have guns. I better stop while I am alive!!! LOL
Everyone is fallible and that is understood and accepted if you own up to your mistakes. What people find unacceptable is calling out someone when you yourself bear a large part of the responsibility for a deal going south.
I've had a few incidents here which may have been publicly broadcast by some but which were all handled privately by me. To the satisfaction of both parties.
A year or so ago I sold a bunch of bullets and other stuff on here and then got really sick before I could ship anything. I posted what my situation was and apologized for the delayed shipment. EVERY ONE of the buyers essentially told me to take care of myself first and the shipping could wait.
That's the kind of place this is.
Where is this rifle now? I've not had time to read it all,but I have a Bud looking for one...
hope he dosent come back, now or ever
Vermin always return.
rifle, Buffaf from here has it and he LIKES it! Amazing, eh?
NSAQUAM, Perzactly, Only recently I had to delay shipping a couple of things due to my illness causing me great nausea, exhaustion, weakness and headaches. I also PM'ed people who were expecting stuff from me and they too were quite allright, caring more about my health. Yep, this place generally IS like that. I am proud to be a part of 24hrcf.
rifle, Buffaf from here has it and he LIKES it! Amazing, eh?
NSAQUAM, Perzactly, Only recently I had to delay shipping a couple of things due to my illness causing me great nausea, exhaustion, weakness and headaches. I also PM'ed people who were expecting stuff from me and they too were quite allright, caring more about my health. Yep, this place generally IS like that. I am proud to be a part of 24hrcf.
As am I!
I think eveyone had agreed the yalie was 110% in the wrong here for calling out Mark the way he did, 1 by the way he did it, 2 by posting personal health issues, which if anyone should know would be a lawyer with the new federal hippa law, 3 calling Mark a liar and Im sure I could go on. I personaly sent Mark some money today to help him out with what he needs both medical and personal, and another 5 other guys on here contacted me and they did the same for him. Mark wanted me to help him out by buying his guns that he has for sale I told him I didnt want his guns and for him to keep them and enjoy them, he worked all his life for these guns and there his pride and joy. Told him that I will help out the way I see fit and to take care of himself and his wife and to get better as I want to book a trip out to see him for a guided hunt
Never having met Mark, personally, I feel I know him from the exchanges we've had and from his postings.
His in depth revelation of his personal health issues really touched me. He didn't have to reveal all that, but he did. That's just him and how honestly open he is. Not a bogus bone in his body.
I, too, was taken aback by the vicious and ostentatious public display by his attacker. That was low class and mean spirited. And one can easily tell by the response of the Fire crowd, how that whole exchange was viewed.
Best regards, Mark. Wishing you well, brother.
DF
PM sent to Gemby regarding getting some money to Mark.
PM sent back to you gophergunner thanks for help Mark and his wife Sherri out in there time of need, Greg
I can't see Yalie's posts anymore, weird huh?
FO Yalie
The problem with Yalie's type (defense attorneys) is that they are the captains of situational ethics. There is no absolute truth for them, everything is to be twisted or manipulated. They're not to be trusted. I'm glad Mark can escape from this guy with no further problems, and that the rest of us have a heads up.
I have the rifle and Yalie is an idiot for passing it up!
Rob
I have the rifle and Yalie is an idiot for passing it up!
Rob
For sure...
DF
You gotta be kidding...
Send your 'gifts of love' to your local hospice. They really need it. I know ours does.
No I was serious, the man has a need and I believe instead of talking...doing!
Mike
My Bad, Mike. My bone head missed the medical needs portion of this thread...
That's fine my friend. Sounds like some rough stuff to deal with on his part too.
Mike
Yalie needs to be voted off 24hr, kinda along the lines of "Survivor"
I believe the tribe done spoke.......
Wonder where Yalie is now?. . . . . . .lol
Wonder where Yalie is now?. . . . . . .lol
Probably laughing his ass off... He warned folks
Looking for someone else to bother...........
I will say,
your take on this on this "situation" is different than expected.
P.S. I just scanned this thread. I retract my statement. Should have known.
Ladies and Gentlemen:
One of my favorite tactics when I was practicing law,
You had better practice a little more. Someday you MIGHT get it right. Someone that finishes LAST in law class is still called a lawyer. In your case there's nothing to be proud of.
Yalie: I am sad to hear you are/were a lawyer!
One of the lifes lessons I learned LONG ago and that has been re-verified countless times since is - NEVER put ANY creedence in anything a lawyer says.
You might want to keep the fact you are/were a lawyer to yourself!
Just some free advice for your consideration.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Whatever he is......
He was spot on and warning fellow fire members....
Yalie: I am sad to hear you are/were a lawyer!
One of the lifes lessons I learned LONG ago and that has been re-verified countless times since is - NEVER put ANY creedence in anything a lawyer says.
You might want to keep the fact you are/were a lawyer to yourself!
Just some free advice for your consideration.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Damn you shot the messenger.
Some just won't get it no matter how hard they are beat over the head with the truth!
Wonder what the best way to prepare crow is?
Wonder what the best way to prepare crow is?
From what I heard it's best served over a steaming plate of swallow your damn pride!
Yalie: I am sad to hear you are/were a lawyer!
One of the lifes lessons I learned LONG ago and that has been re-verified countless times since is - NEVER put ANY creedence in anything a lawyer says.
You might want to keep the fact you are/were a lawyer to yourself!
Just some free advice for your consideration.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Everyone hates a lawyer until they need one or their ass is saved by one.
Eric
Wonder what the best way to prepare crow is?
From what I heard it's best served over a steaming plate of swallow your damn pride!
from what i am seeing, not to many want to eat it!
ked
I'm sure some "unsubscribed" from this thread. . . . . . lol
I'm sure some "unsubscribed" from this thread. . . . . . lol
free bump
Wonder what the best way to prepare crow is?
From what I heard it's best served over a steaming plate of swallow your damn pride!
from what i am seeing, not to many want to eat it!
It'd damn near put crow on the endangered list....
me thinks you're right!
ked
Just curious, what brought this up? Something with Safariman?
Just curious, what brought this up? Something with Safariman?
Judge for yourself Redleg172.
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...503443/10/PRE_64_Winchester_FWT_308_like
Yalie: I am sad to hear you are/were a lawyer!
One of the lifes lessons I learned LONG ago and that has been re-verified countless times since is - NEVER put ANY creedence in anything a lawyer says.
You might want to keep the fact you are/were a lawyer to yourself!
Just some free advice for your consideration.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Everyone hates a lawyer until they need one or their ass is saved by one.
Eric
Know some very honorable and great lawyers. Kind of like insurance salesmen. Some should have their licenses pulled and others are great consultants. Perhaps that was a bad comparison......
I ATE MY CROW AND LIKED IT....I THINK ANYONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHO JUMPED ON THE KICK YALLIE IN THE BALLS BANDWAGON, OWES HIM AN APOLOGY. I AM USUALLY BETTER AT SMELLING A RAT AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE WITH MARK.
Hey, look guys, thanks, but don't sweat it.
I did litigation, and if you don't have a thick skin, you better not litigate.
My only goal here, is to make sure that everyone takes a good long look at this guy, before they do business with him.
Who knows, maybe he'll clean up his act.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
I have not responded to a single thread on any of the safariman debauckles(or however its spelled). But for the amount of trash talking and [bleep] said about Yalie and for him to come on here and say no sweat is a true showing of his character. I don't know him and have never done business with him but I will have to say kudos to him for being a class act. Would do business with him anytime. Just my 2� for what its worth.
Roy
Well said.
But hold on to your wallet, he's a lawyer.
Kiddin'.
.....for the amount of trash talking and [bleep] said about Yalie and for him to come on here and say no sweat is a true showing of his character. I don't know him and have never done business with him but I will have to say kudos to him for being a class act. Would do business with him anytime. Just my 2� for what its worth.
Roy
+1
Yalie proves once again why lawyers are some of my favorite people.
Bless you Yalie.
Travis
That was quite a shalacking Yalie took. It must be hard to read a year later for some folks.
I'll chime in and say this...lawyers certainly don't have a monopoly on A holes. I'm sure we have all met a few that are cops, soldiers, doctors, teachers, FFLs, etc. The list is endless.
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
It turned out to be a typical 24HCF thread where guys let their mockingbird mouth overload their whippoorwhill azzz, you know, their mouth writing a check that their sorry, broke azz can't cash. Sadly enough, it seems to be more the norm around here lately with many of the same people involved most every time.
Heck Missouri Ed took a beating too...
Well said.
But hold on to your wallet, he's a lawyer.
Kiddin'.
There are times when I miss that legal income, but practicing law bored the hell out of me.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
I have not responded to a single thread on any of the safariman debauckles(or however its spelled). But for the amount of trash talking and [bleep] said about Yalie and for him to come on here and say no sweat is a true showing of his character. I don't know him and have never done business with him but I will have to say kudos to him for being a class act. Would do business with him anytime. Just my 2� for what its worth.
Roy
"Hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!"
Hear, hear!
Geo
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
It turned out to be a typical 24HCF thread where guys let their mockingbird mouth overload their whippoorwhill azzz, you know, their mouth writing a check that their sorry, broke azz can't cash. Sadly enough, it seems to be more the norm around here lately with many of the same people involved most every time.
I kind of agree.
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
It turned out to be a typical 24HCF thread where guys let their mockingbird mouth overload their whippoorwhill azzz, you know, their mouth writing a check that their sorry, broke azz can't cash. Sadly enough, it seems to be more the norm around here lately with many of the same people involved most every time.
I kind of agree.
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Lessons to be learned here.
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
It turned out to be a typical 24HCF thread where guys let their mockingbird mouth overload their whippoorwhill azzz, you know, their mouth writing a check that their sorry, broke azz can't cash. Sadly enough, it seems to be more the norm around here lately with many of the same people involved most every time.
I kind of agree.
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Oops. Sorry Yalie
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
It turned out to be a typical 24HCF thread where guys let their mockingbird mouth overload their whippoorwhill azzz, you know, their mouth writing a check that their sorry, broke azz can't cash. Sadly enough, it seems to be more the norm around here lately with many of the same people involved most every time.
I kind of agree.
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Oops. Sorry Yalie
All else aside, I'm glad to see where someone was man enough to come out with a public apology.
Whatever happen to the safari fiasco that Safariman once mismanaged? Was everybody involved made whole? Kinda wonder now that this stuff is oozing out.
I am making notes of who makes a public apology and who doesn't.
Tim
At least your 2014 self didn't admonish your 2013 self...
Travis
Natural to protect one of your own. Never to wanting to believe one of your own is guilty (he would never do that, she would never cheat me).
When guilt is obvious, hell breaks loose on many levels, most of all for making yourself look like a fool protecting them.
Sorry Yalie.
You gotta be kidding...
Send your 'gifts of love' to your local hospice. They really need it. I know ours does.
No I was serious, the man has a need and I believe instead of talking...doing!
Mike
My Bad, Mike. My bone head missed the medical needs portion of this thread...
It took me about a week to realize I was 100% right in my first posting...after I starting reading the endless drone of 'medical needs' juxtaposed with gun purchases.
At least your 2014 self didn't admonish your 2013 self...
Travis
GFMS
There ya go
At least your 2014 self didn't admonish your 2013 self...
Travis
GFMS
There ya go
That's funny right there!!!! If I could id never leave the house and have a whole lot more money to spend in the classifieds.
Roy
Whatever happen to the safari fiasco that Safariman once mismanaged? Was everybody involved made whole? Kinda wonder now that this stuff is oozing out.
Good question. Nothing else seems to be on the board, so perhaps it was resolved (or abandoned).
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2439829/1
Maybe when one gets out of the penitentiary, you just set up shop in walla walla? Must have been a second story cat burglar in a prior life
Railed the wrong guy.....and EMPOWERED the wrong guy.
And so it goes w/a sort of mob mentality.
It turned out to be a typical 24HCF thread where guys let their mockingbird mouth overload their whippoorwhill azzz, you know, their mouth writing a check that their sorry, broke azz can't cash. Sadly enough, it seems to be more the norm around here lately with many of the same people involved most every time.
I kind of agree.
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Yeah, I was dead wrong about Safariman. Notice I did not slam Yalie. If it were taken that way Yalie then I apologize also. It was not intended that way. I gave Safariman the benefit of the doubt too many times.....I was way, way off base.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
Yeah, I was dead wrong about Safariman. Notice I did not slam Yalie. If it were taken that way Yalie then I apologize also. It was not intended that way. I gave Safariman the benefit of the doubt too many times.....I was way, way off base.
You should be ashamed of yourself, young man.
Travis
I haven't quite figured out what the actual "call out" was about.
Did Yalie actually lose his money?
Did Mark refuse to send the gun?
Did Yalie ever contact Mark in a normal fashion and tell him how upset that he was?
This was my response last year, and it would still be my response this year. I don't think the simple questions were answered then or now, by either party. Mark has certainly dug himself deeper in the interlude.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Nonsense; it was rather obama-nesque.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
Iron sharpens iron,
and one man sharpens another.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Nonsense; it was rather obama-nesque.
Is there a difference?
I'm all for forgiveness.....once. Mark has obviously [bleep] enough people in his lifetime he should be sponsored by Viagra and KY. And I could give a [bleep] less what his excuses are (always seems to have plenty).
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Nonsense; it was rather obama-nesque.
Is there a difference?
Yes. There is a huge difference in a Christian and what Obama represents. And there is a huge difference in people. You can't lump all Christians into the same pile any more than you can say that all heathen are the same. Many like to claim the name of Christian whether or not they are but very few like to adhere to the name of heathen. I am a Christian and very proud of the fact.
thanks for that link, Deflave. I had a tidbit to add to that thread.
Sure thing toad.
I didn't want ol' Fireball to skip over that "posting style."
Travis
Dahveed....some people are like a drop of acid in a sea of milk.
Yeah, I was dead wrong about Safariman. Notice I did not slam Yalie. If it were taken that way Yalie then I apologize also. It was not intended that way. I gave Safariman the benefit of the doubt too many times.....I was way, way off base.
You should be ashamed of yourself, young man.
Travis
I was, but I'm over it now.
Dahveed....some people are like a drop of acid in a sea of milk.
Stop dropping acid after beating off all over yourself.
That's [bleep]' gross.
Travis
Maybe they could ask other parishioners to get their azzes busy making slings...
Dad said it takes a real man to say "I was wrong".
Dad said it takes a real man to say "I was wrong".
I'm a real man........and you were wrong. Whew. I feel better.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
Nope, no apology in there anywhere. Not even implied. Alot of finger pointing and excuses though. You only apologize when you are sorry......
Jayzus! How long is this lovefest gonna go on? You can tell it's the depth of winter, can'tcha? Cabin fever's struck hard! Some of us sound like we're about to bust out it tears. I say we get everyone in a big room with a coupla cases of good winter ale, and when the hollerin' stops, everybody's buddies all over again. Stop contemplating your navels, boys, and get outside and get some fresh air.
Nope, no apology in there anywhere. Not even implied. Alot of finger pointing and excuses though. You only apologize when you are sorry......
Surprise surprise surprise.
There was a lot of bullschit though.
So he's got
that going for him.
Anyone have anything for sale?
Anyone have anything for sale?
Some coffee cups that say "stay army"
www.berries.com
Anyone have anything for sale?
Big stack of Bibles. Some dumb [bleep] named Gideon leaves at least one everywhere I go.
Yours for the cost of shipping.
Travis
PS-Shipping is $40.00.
Anyone have anything for sale?
I've got a LNIB pre-64 Featherweight with a post-14 paracord sling that doesn't get much use. All sales final. Would trade toward a Mars Rover or Justin Bieber's original mug shots. Thanks
I'll save you $40.00 and will have two young men in white shirts deliver you a book for free. PM me your address.
No thanks. Jehovah was by here the other day. You need any more copies?
Anyone have anything for sale?
Big stack of Bibles. Some dumb [bleep] named Gideon leaves at least one everywhere I go.
Yours for the cost of shipping.
Travis
PS-Shipping is $40.00.
That dude gets around.
Anyone have anything for sale?
I've got a LNIB pre-64 Featherweight with a post-14 paracord sling that doesn't get much use. All sales final. Would trade toward a Mars Rover or Justin Bieber's original mug shots. Thanks
I will take the sling if you are willing to separate... Let me know oh was the sling made in Oregon?
I'll save you $40.00 and will have two young men in white shirts deliver you a book for free. PM me your address.
Hey now leave the Mormons out this....
Anyone have anything for sale?
I've got a LNIB pre-64 Featherweight with a
post-14 paracord sling that doesn't get much use. All sales final. Would trade toward a Mars Rover or Justin Bieber's original mug shots. Thanks
I will take the sling if you are willing to separate... Let me know oh was the sling made in Oregon?
Can't possibly split up a pairing like this. The devil is in the details, though.
Send cash.
Then I'll go see if I can find something similar and ship it. Maybe.
Anyone have anything for sale?
I've got a LNIB pre-64 Featherweight with a post-14 paracord sling that doesn't get much use. All sales final. Would trade toward a Mars Rover or Justin Bieber's original mug shots. Thanks
I will take the sling if you are willing to separate... Let me know oh was the sling made in Oregon?
I think it's Frederick's of Oregon or maybe Uncle Mike's of Hollywood.
Anyone have anything for sale?
Big stack of Bibles. Some dumb [bleep] named Gideon leaves at least one everywhere I go.
Yours for the cost of shipping.
Travis
PS-Shipping is $40.00.
I'll take it. Since it's new to you, it will need to be sent out for repair, ok?
Are you related to Travis?
You'll have one HELL of a challenge in attempting to cast even the slightest bit of shadow upon the character of safariman. He's about as quality of a man as you'll find anywhere.
Your post only makes me question your integrity...
I don't know if Yalie is still around, so I'll attempt this in a PM as well.
It turned out to be one hell of a challenge, but one well met.
I apologize for questioning your integrity.
Read this whole thing. What exactly happened on 1/29/14 that changed everyone's opinion of things.
Read the whole thing for the first time tonight too.
Yawn...
lot of god damn'd crow ate hear-abouts lol. Mark still owes me some boolits, but the piece of [bleep] will never send them,
I think this kind of thread was actually a good thing for this forum. A very good thing. Gave people a reason to take a look at theirselves. Probably won't change the forum a lot as some things never change. People will always dislike lawyers unless its the one that just saved their bacon or helped their business, or won a lawsuit for them. And the internet will never be a very good place for a trial.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
Looks like a kumbaiyah event coming on, I want to man the confession both. You're secrets are safe with me. I just hope Travis doesn't try to hold my hand again when we sing the campfire songs.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
Seems to me that the OP was laid out with the facts and I saw nothing to take exception on the style as long as the facts were the facts.
Wanna buy an annuity?
Anyone?
Please?
I'd consider 2-stroke oil or ? in trade.............
I'm a four stroker. And it's used. PM if interested (wink, wink)
Travis
I will give you $5, but you must give me Power of Attorney over all your financial assets.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
Seems to me that the OP was laid out with the facts and I saw nothing to take exception on the style as long as the facts were the facts.
jwp, I'm not sure if your comment was towards me or ?
Yeah, I tried explaining sincerely where I felt I'd messed up, but I need to keep it shorter so the guy from Montana can follow along.
You'll have one HELL of a challenge in attempting to cast even the slightest bit of shadow upon the character of safariman. He's about as quality of a man as you'll find anywhere.
Your post only makes me question your integrity...
I don't know if Yalie is still around, so I'll attempt this in a PM as well.
It turned out to be one hell of a challenge, but one well met.
I apologize for questioning your integrity.
I wouldn't be too fast, to apologize. I had a dealing with Yalie he is a complete arsehole!
Yea. That's been my impression all along.
And. Heaven forbid if anyone changes their mind when additional facts are presented.
I will give you $5, but you must give me Power of Attorney over all your financial assets.
Can I exclude the Boyota?
Travis
{Quote] I wouldn't be too fast, to apologize. I had a dealing with Yalie he is a complete arsehole! [/quote]
Translation: You had a contract with Yalie and he thinks differently than you do. So now you choose to degrade him rather than providing the facts surrounding the contract so that others can make up their own minds what they think.
Yeah, I tried explaining sincerely where I felt I'd messed up, but I need to keep it shorter so the guy from Montana can follow along.
Leave Barsness out of this.
Travis
{Quote] I wouldn't be too fast, to apologize. I had a dealing with Yalie he is a complete arsehole!
Translation: You had a contract with Yalie and he thinks differently than you do. So now you choose to degrade him rather than providing the facts surrounding the contract so that others can make up their own minds what they think. [/quote]
Dear Kevin:
You are correct. So, I will provide the facts.
On December 12, 2012 (yes, almost two years ago), I sent a check for $180.00 to Jason Z. Alberts, aka sactoller for a 1908 Brazilian Mauser action (the "action") that he was offering for sale here on 24 Hour Campfire.
When I received it, the action had so many different arsenal stamps on its respective parts, that I had no idea where the non-receiver parts came from, certainly not from DWM or Oberndorf.
I returned the action for a full refund from Mr. Alberts.
To bring this up almost two years later is childish at best.
And Mr. Alberts, I certainly would never do business with you again.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
yes men of integrity, seems to be a rare thing these days.
I thought this was an add for a new book "The Safarimans Experience" but I see it's volume 2.
I wouldn't be too fast, to apologize. I had a dealing with Yalie he is a complete arsehole!
Translation: You had a contract with Yalie and he thinks differently than you do. So now you choose to degrade him rather than providing the facts surrounding the contract so that others can make up their own minds what they think.
Dear Kevin:
You are correct. So, I will provide the facts.
On December 12, 2012 (yes, almost two years ago), I sent a check for $180.00 to Jason Z. Alberts, aka sactoller for a 1908 Brazilian Mauser action (the "action") that he was offering for sale here on 24 Hour Campfire.
When I received it, the action had so many different arsenal stamps on its respective parts, that I had no idea where the non-receiver parts came from, certainly not from DWM or Oberndorf.
I returned the action for a full refund from Mr. Alberts.
To bring this up almost two years later is childish at best.
And Mr. Alberts, I certainly would never do business with you again.
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
Reminds me why I will never deal with Yalie. I've had dealings with Jason several times and he's one of the good guys. And 22WRF coming to Yalie's defense completely seals it for me. Thanks for the reminder.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
lol. Some apology.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
lol. Some apology.
Off topic a bit, well a big bit. I've been doing some thinking the past few days, and whilst I've been a prick to you, often, I've never and will never doubt your integrity.
Integrity means everything to me, and perhaps I've been wrong an an occasion or 15 with you. That's my apology
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
lol. Some apology.
Off topic a bit, well a big bit. I've been doing some thinking the past few days, and whilst I've been a prick to you, often, I've never and will never doubt your integrity.
Integrity means everything to me, and perhaps I've been wrong an an occasion or 15 with you. That's my apology
Ya know Scott. We've bumped heads, but i have a damed lot of respect for you. And hope to cross paths someday
I've never even noticed a post of yours before now. Who are you.....
Wtf.Did someone spike the water with estrogen?
whip 'em out for a good old fashioned dick-off
That's it, you use to have a different User name, something like Boss something or other maybe? You're from Indiana, right?
Hey!!!
I thought only "Canucks" apologized, now I am confused.
That's it, you use to have a different User name, something like Boss something or other maybe? You're from Indiana, right?
Lol, umm no on both accounts.
We have discussed rifles and you have on several times offered me good advice.
I hate sum beaches that stop payment on a check.
Tell me you love me. Somebody.
I haven't been keeping up. Why is there a revival of interest in Safariman?
Tell me you love me. Somebody.
Father Vinny loves you.
I've been real slow to reply to all of this, because, if you read the Yalie thread, I was not slow on that one. I was one of Marks supporters.
I will say I did not, nor would I ever, nor did anyone else, respond positively to Yalies posting style. He came across as an arrogant lawyer starting that thread, and everyone posting on that thread got the same vibe. It's hard to be objective right off the bat when someone starts off like that.
Even now, I won't go back and try to conclude much about THAT affair between them. I shouldn't comment on any past affairs between Mark and anyone else. My mistake and I apologize for getting involved. It's pretty hard to know what happens between two people, but after while you sense what's going on. I'm still learning what's happening around here, like alot of you.
I have to remind everyone that there were a lot of people that have known Mark for a long time, that came out in his defense. I may be one of the folks with the least amount of experience with Mark at that time, but quickly picked up that he's very congenial. He went above and beyond in many ways in our dealings. I really feel strongly that he's dealt with large numbers of people here very fairly. But, perhaps things have been stretched to the breaking point by his pushing a little too hard to make one too many deals. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, burning the candle at both ends, etc.
It took me a while to realize the extent of the wheeling dealing going on, but I see it now. I don't want to devalue a guy like Mark, a Christian brother and I think a man that has contributed much in the past. Every man lives, learns, and hopefully grows as we progress.
Life is an elastic experience. We are forced to stretch and flex our way along, and if this is used positively, I believe all parties, myself included, can learn much and move forward in a positive direction.
I'd like to see Yalie acknowledge that his style of confrontation and possibly the manner in which he handled the transaction sucked, and turned alot of people against him before they had a chance to really be objective.
I'd like to see Mark step up and instead of giving us the long version including all the reasons why this or that is so, simply say, "I'm sorry", and maybe show a little genuine humility.
Both have an opportunity to grow here.
As for me, I was wrong to get involved. I was wrong to say a word. It was not my affair, I should have stayed out of it. I should not have said what I said about feeding Yalie to the dogs, so to speak. I am sorry for getting involved.
I hope rather than a crucification for any party what we see is an outpouring of support and encouragement to do better, with accountability. Show a brother some tough love. Thanks for reading Campfire. Let's move forward in love and respect for one another. Unfortunately, I have not modeled that. Again, I apologize for that.
This is how Christians typically apologize.
Just an FYI.
Travis
lol. Some apology.
Off topic a bit, well a big bit. I've been doing some thinking the past few days, and whilst I've been a prick to you, often, I've never and will never doubt your integrity.
Integrity means everything to me, and perhaps I've been wrong an an occasion or 15 with you. That's my apology
I'd be tempted to cover the bar tab to get Steelhead and kamo_gari together for an evening. Bar tab; not bail money.
Depends entirely upon the jurisdiction.
I'd just like to sit in the corner and sip PBR's while the meet went down.
I hear that she just had a sex change operation so go easy.
What an old thread. I tried to read this .....but I have all those with poor judgement on ignore.
The Safariman supporters that is.
Have a good day.
I am going fishing.
I'd just like to sit in the corner and sip PBR's while the meet went down.
That's a form of punishment.
Hey!!!
I thought only "Canucks" apologized, now I am confused.
I am sorry you are confused
I used to be one of the top insurance salesmen in the NATION.
Between the poison in my system from my failing kidneys and the constant barrage of painkillers my cognition is also suffering and this causes me great distress as my IQ at one time was 148...
Yet dumb as a post.
I used to be one of the top insurance salesmen in the NATION.
Between the poison in my system from my failing kidneys and the constant barrage of painkillers my cognition is also suffering and this causes me great distress as my IQ at one time was 148...
Yet dumb as a post.
Like everything else SM, a lie.
free bump
Never post on this site ! Arraggg breaking the rule.
All we lack is 4Ager to come out and try to sheit on Mark for allegations of past misdeeds.
Flip-floppoing wimps who would not know Mark if they saw him.
Those of us who know Mark, and the few, very few, straight arrows on this site, know who is a liar and who is not.
Anyone who would use his (claimed) alma mater as a screen name has got to be a poser.
Saw a suggestion recently that Bin post everyone's real name with every post.
Sounds like a capital idea.
Back to the lurker's closet.
WOOOOOOOOOO......
Scary post.
Want to see the Glory Road youtube?
Or numerous pics SM has posted of himself?
If Mark is so pure why remove himself from posting to think about "it" and have gladhanders like you pray with him for guidance?
Maybe challenge him to a pants off, dance off?
Laraza must be the shortest guy in the quartet.
All we lack is 4Ager to come out and try to sheit on Mark for allegations of past misdeeds.
When the court finds you guilty are they still allegations?
Never post on this site ! Arraggg breaking the rule.
All we lack is 4Ager to come out and try to sheit on Mark for allegations of past misdeeds.
Flip-floppoing wimps who would not know Mark if they saw him.
Those of us who know Mark, and the few, very few, straight arrows on this site, know who is a liar and who is not.
Anyone who would use his (claimed) alma mater as a screen name has got to be a poser.
Saw a suggestion recently that Bin post everyone's real name with every post.
Sounds like a capital idea.
Back to the lurker's closet.
Dumbass,
I do know Mark, and very well.
Check the other threads for details.
I wager "laraza" is none other than Larry "Douchebag" Root!
I wager "laraza" is none other than Larry "Douchebag" Root!
You do know what "La Raza" means I'm sure....
I wager "laraza" is none other than Larry "Douchebag" Root!
Sucker bet.
[quote=FOsteology]I wager "laraza" is none other than Larry "Douchebag" Root!
2nd that
Never post on this site ! Arraggg breaking the rule.
All we lack is 4Ager to come out and try to sheit on Mark for allegations of past misdeeds.
Flip-floppoing wimps who would not know Mark if they saw him.
Those of us who know Mark, and the few, very few, straight arrows on this site, know who is a liar and who is not.
Anyone who would use his (claimed) alma mater as a screen name has got to be a poser.
Saw a suggestion recently that Bin post everyone's real name with every post.
Sounds like a capital idea.
Back to the lurker's closet.
Mine is Shane Reynolds...easily validated and not worth hiding.
What is your's?
I'll admit I went to bat for SM once in this thread. A lot of things have come to light since. It won't happen again.
I wager "laraza" is none other than Larry "Douchebag" Root!
First time poster who seems to be an old hand at this stuff.
Style similar enough.
No surprise.
DF
I'll admit I went to bat for SM once in this thread. A lot of things have come to light since. It won't happen again.
I went to bat for him more than once, but seen the light, never more
I'd be tempted to cover the bar tab to get Steelhead and kamo_gari together for an evening. Bar tab; not bail money.
I bet dollars to doughnuts that a few things are guaranted:
1. There would be a thousand laughs.
2. They would be the star attractions of the night.
3. The bar would be out of booze by nights end.
4. There would be a hearty handshake between them at nights end.
5. It wouldn't be the last meeting.
I sure as shcitt would make that evening.
I'd just like to sit in the corner and sip PBR's while the meet went down.
That's a form of punishment.
Phillistine.
I'd just like to sit in the corner and sip PBR's while the meet went down.
That's a form of punishment.
Phillistine.
.....and he prefers cans to bottles! Only took me two years to get it right
Brother Tide is a pleasure to buy beer for.
I'd just like to sit in the corner and sip PBR's while the meet went down.
That's a form of punishment.
Phillistine.
.....and he prefers cans to bottles! Only took me two years to get it right
Brother Tide is a pleasure to buy beer for.
I'd buy CT a PBR anytime!
What a difference a couple of years make.
The first 4 pages wow! hell mule deer and shrapnel ready to take safariman elk hunting hey wait a second could it be those 3 are elk hunting as we speak??
I'll admit I went to bat for SM once in this thread. A lot of things have come to light since. It won't happen again.
I went to bat for him more than once, but seen the light, never more
Yup me too, he had made a few deals with me that went smooth as could be. I guess I was one of the lucky ones. My apologies to Yalie
What a difference a couple of years make.
Not really...... My guess is CT still enjoys PBR.
George
Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire. He is a good guy and as honest as anyone I have ever dealt with and I have never heard anything differently from others.
Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire.
Apparently he does have to defend himself in the Eastern Bankruptcy Court of the State of Washington.
Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire. He is a good guy and as honest as anyone I have ever dealt with and I have never heard anything differently from others.
Holy smokes I hope you are joking???
Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire. He is a good guy and as honest as anyone I have ever dealt with and I have never heard anything differently from others.
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Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire. He is a good guy and as honest as anyone I have ever dealt with and I have never heard anything differently from others.
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Claiborne is a manipulative scumbag, liar, and deadbeat.
Let's not forget he stole money from old folks via fraudulent insurance deals.
Don't forget about all those scopes people sent him for his disabled Vietnam buddy..
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire. He is a good guy and as honest as anyone I have ever dealt with and I have never heard anything differently from others.
Goes great with your handle.
Braindead is a good guy with whom I have had quite a few flawless deals both FTF and by mail.
Sadly, he is mistaken about Claiborne.
Remember, Claiborne keep his name out of the dirt for a long time because he didn't screw 'everybody'. He kept enough supporters to be able to continue his crooked ventures with others.
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
entertainment
It's good to see Mark and Larry are about as welcome as anal leakage.
Mark does not have to defend himself on the 'fire. He is a good guy and as honest as anyone I have ever dealt with and I have never heard anything differently from others.
You should explain that to the elderly people he victimized and the Oregon Department of Consumer and Business Services, Insurance Division; perhaps it's all just a misunderstanding on their part. They must not realize he is a good guy.
In my view he is a parasite.
I think most here have finally gotten the full picture.
The horse has been beaten beyond recognition by now.
It's good to see Mark and Larry are about as welcome as anal leakage.
Unless, of course, you happen to be a DEPENDS or BUTTERFLY "body liners" sales or marketing professional.
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
Same reason they keep teaching about 1930's-40's Germany in history class.
So it dosen't happen again.
I think most here have finally gotten the full picture.
The horse has been beaten beyond recognition by now.
I agree and wish people would stop bumping this thread.
Travis
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
My thoughts exactly.
Please stop bumping this thread.
Clark
I think most here have finally gotten the full picture.
The horse has been beaten beyond recognition by now.
I agree and wish people would stop bumping this thread.
+1
Braindead is a good guy
Sadly, he is mistaken about Claiborne.
Yes he is and yes he is.
Not a bump. Just wanted to share.
Dave
I think most here have finally gotten the full picture.
The horse has been beaten beyond recognition by now.
I agree and wish people would stop bumping this thread.
+1
Couldn't agree more.
Travis
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
Same reason they keep teaching about 1930's-40's Germany in history class.
So it dosen't happen again.
Thank you!
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
My thoughts exactly.
Please stop bumping this thread.
Clark
Valid point.
I'll stop as a new years resolution.
Kinda new here. Who is the Safariman??
I think most here have finally gotten the full picture.
The horse has been beaten beyond recognition by now.
I agree and wish people would stop bumping this thread.
Travis
Never have, never will
Valid point.
I'll stop as a new years resolution.
Sounds reasonable.
Travis
I think most here have finally gotten the full picture.
The horse has been beaten beyond recognition by now.
I agree and wish people would stop bumping this thread.
Travis
Never have, never will
You must be one of those cyber-bullies.
Clark
Why is this still on the first page?
Kinda new here. Who is the Safariman??
This is why it needs to be bumped very now and then.
Why is this still on the first page?
Because it keeps getting bumped. It's been bumped more times than the Kardashian's and Jenner's combined......and that includes Caitlyn.
This thread is 2.5 years old, why do you keep it going?
My thoughts exactly.
Please stop bumping this thread.
Clark
Valid point.
I'll stop as a new years resolution.
what year?
It's like those people selling knives who keep bumping my scams.....eerrrrrr....posts off the first page.
Kinda new here. Who is the Safariman??
If you meant "What is the Safariman?"
I'd describe him as a man that will deny the short con while setting you up for the long.
Quit picking on Mark you Bullies
I want the gun he azz shot the bear with ......
I kind of noticed those sticking up for Safari douche early in the thread are no longer around the campfire
Hey, whatever did happen to Larry? Or that Pricktop guy?
I kind of noticed those sticking up for Safari douche early in the thread are no longer around the campfire
Some got duped... I am in there supporting him because the one deal I had with him worked out incredibly good for me. I tried to pay shipping though he had listed his price as a shipped price and ended up sending him $25 for shipping, about half.
I seriously doubt anyone really left because they screwed up and supported Claiborne.
Art ,you get his 257 Weatherby?
No, an LC Smith 00 grade 12 in very good condition for $195...
Sitka
What year did this transaction happen?
So using your logic, A great minister that you "support" , then a few years after supporting him has been jailed for molesting a child, would still be supported by you?
Good people do bad things, knowingly supporting them after you find out that person is a Turd is bad on you. The correct answer is you change your view of a person when you find out he has swindled old ladies in his insurance business, let alone his transactions with 90% of those burned by his transactions here.
You have read what Mark has done to swindle people here? I think you are one of 4 who have NOT had issues with Mark,a very small crowd compared to those burned by Mark's transactions. Having his back isn't a good thing, IMHO
After my one and only dealings with Mark, I was onto him. It wasn't long before this thread came up. Didn't pipe up because most of the forum was still smoking his nuts and I knew I'd be the one raked over the coals. When it broke, another member and I were more than ready for it. I figured we weren't the only ones.
Sitka
What year did this transaction happen?
So using your logic, A great minister that you "support" , then a few years after supporting him has been jailed for molesting a child, would still be supported by you?
Good people do bad things, knowingly supporting them after you find out that person is a Turd is bad on you. The correct answer is you change your view of a person when you find out he has swindled old ladies in his insurance business, let alone his transactions with 90% of those burned by his transactions here.
You have read what Mark has done to swindle people here? I think you are one of 4 who have NOT had issues with Mark,a very small crowd compared to those burned by Mark's transactions. Having his back isn't a good thing, IMHO
2011
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I supported him at that point as none of this cluster had shown up to my knowledge. I do not in any way support anything about him now. And as Miss Lynn stated at the time he had to make a few people happy to keep his scams going on others.
My mistake
I thought you STILL support Mark
My apology
My mistake
I thought you STILL support Mark
My apology
No need to apologize... IF I supported Mark I would deserve it... and more!
Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is.
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Pompous dipschidts like Yalie show up on the Campfire now and then. But instead of being run off by some censor, they run themselves off, due to good people watching out for other good people--like Mark, one of the most honest and selfless people on here.
I'll be watching Yalie's posts from now on--if he ever dares make one again--to make sure everybody knows what kind of human he really is.
I was wondering what smoking nuts meant.....and, now, I guess I know.
Any more of that mega-cheap 22LR ammo left, Sherpa?
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I sent Mark a junker of a .22 once and he didn't like it. It was real cheap, but he still didn't like it and I gladly took it back. He wasn't mad, I was a bit embarrassed, but no one got hurt. Mark has an open invitation to me to came and spend time with him at my leisure, and I just may take him up on it sometime...
Not all incomplete transactions need to be sour. I always allow the buyer his determination of anything I sell and I demand satisfaction or return the item. I honestly think Mark would deliver anything I would get from him in person if I wanted it bad enough...
Claiborne flat refused to be Safariman'd. Valiant effort, though.
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Kinda new here. Who is the Safariman??
This is why it needs to be bumped very now and then.
bump - blast from the past
laughing at everybody back then who coundn't see safarieman for what he was....
laughing at everybody back then who coundn't see safarieman for what he was....
I really liked the comments that some would fight to the death for safariman……..bob
I was always amazed at members that believed his crap and were totally sucked in
All lack in judgement.
What the hell is the attraction to bringing up all this old crap?
you contributed to keeping it in play...….bob
They were Uber Times ......the Ruger charger bipod, the yellow avalanche with a winch bolted to the plastic moulding, the azz shot bear.....
Saw a Yellow Chevy Avalanche on my way into work this morning.... being driven by an elderly lady.... I almost wrecked my schitt I was laughing so hard.
When I first started posting on the Fire I didn’t understand why members thought I was Safariman reincarnated-aside from my love for .30 cal magnums and living in Oregon. I’ve since bought a 270 Beaver and a 7/08 to distance myself from further comparison. I will consider moving out of state if it continues. 😎
When I first started posting on the Fire I didn’t understand why members thought I was Safariman reincarnated-aside from my love for .30 cal magnums and living in Oregon. I’ve since bought a 270 Beaver and a 7/08 to distance myself from further comparison. I will consider moving out of state if it continues. 😎
Lol some of your writings were similar to SM.. that's why some including me thought oh boy he's back.. but we seen pictures of you and you wear shirts without the sleeves cutoff. Lol
If you want to be introduced to the one and only, real life Safariman, he’s spending a lot of time on MeWe these days.
If you want to be introduced to the one and only, real life Safariman, he’s spending a lot of time on MeWe these days.
Is he still fleecing the sheep?
If you want to be introduced to the one and only, real life Safariman, he’s spending a lot of time on MeWe these days.
What the snarf is MeWe?...........
It’s an alternative to Facebook.
When I first started posting on the Fire I didn’t understand why members thought I was Safariman reincarnated-aside from my love for .30 cal magnums and living in Oregon... I will consider moving out of state if it continues.
Dedication! LMAO
When I first started posting on the Fire I didn’t understand why members thought I was Safariman reincarnated-aside from my love for .30 cal magnums and living in Oregon. I’ve since bought a 270 Beaver and a 7/08 to distance myself from further comparison. I will consider moving out of state if it continues. 😎
Lol some of your writings were similar to SM.. that's why some including me thought oh boy he's back.. but we seen pictures of you and you wear shirts without the sleeves cutoff. Lol
I feel like I should say something like “I’am blessed” or “ I never ass shoot anything, except bears.” 😎
Anybody want to buy a bipod for a Charger?
LNIB!
MM...Can you find that thread and repost? 😎
If you want to be introduced to the one and only, real life Safariman, he’s spending a lot of time on MeWe these days.
Is he still fleecing the sheep?
I just recently started seeing his name, so he’s probably still in the set up phase.
He’s one hell of a bass singer I hear......
Mark Claiborne, 61
Walla Walla, WA
AKA:Mark B Coaiborne, Mark B Cliborne, Mark M Claiborn, Mark B Clayborne, Mark B Clairborne, Mark B Claiborne, Mark Byron Claiborne
Reputation Score Range:1.843.29/5
(-16%) Below National Average
LOW HIGH
Mark Claiborne Walla Walla 61Mark Claiborne's birthday is 05/09/1960 and is 61 years old. Currently, Mark lives in Walla Walla, WA. Mark B Coaiborne, Mark B Cliborne, Mark M Claiborn, Mark B Clayborne and Mark B Clairborne are some of the alias or nicknames that Mark has used. We know that Mark's political affiliation is currently a registered Republican; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. Currently, Mark is married. Mark's personal network of family, friends, associates & neighbors include Tabitha Claiborne, Byron Claiborne, Daniel Claiborne, Byron Claiborne and Sherri Claiborne. Mark's net worth hovers over $1 - $4,999 with a yearly income that's about $10 - 19,999.
If this isn't the funniest sh~t ever, stubbie was still a glimmer in the eyes of a good man !
PM sent to Gemby regarding getting some money to Mark.
If this isn't the funniest sh~t ever, a con man conning a con man, or just maybe giving him his first lesson
Originally Posted by gophergunner
He's got my money too, and I'm giving him a little rope here. I just hope he doesn't hang him self........
Karma???????
Mark Claiborne, 61
Walla Walla, WA
AKA:Mark B Coaiborne, Mark B Cliborne, Mark M Claiborn, Mark B Clayborne, Mark B Clairborne, Mark B Claiborne, Mark Byron Claiborne
Reputation Score Range:1.843.29/5
(-16%) Below National Average
LOW HIGH
Mark Claiborne Walla Walla 61Mark Claiborne's birthday is 05/09/1960 and is 61 years old. Currently, Mark lives in Walla Walla, WA. Mark B Coaiborne, Mark B Cliborne, Mark M Claiborn, Mark B Clayborne and Mark B Clairborne are some of the alias or nicknames that Mark has used. We know that Mark's political affiliation is currently a registered Republican; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. Currently, Mark is married. Mark's personal network of family, friends, associates & neighbors include Tabitha Claiborne, Byron Claiborne, Daniel Claiborne, Byron Claiborne and Sherri Claiborne. Mark's net worth hovers over $1 - $4,999 with a yearly income that's about $10 - 19,999.
I bet his wife supports him with Premium Snapchat and OnlyFans page
LOL
PM sent to Gemby regarding getting some money to Mark.
If this isn't the funniest sh~t ever, a con man conning a con man, or just maybe giving him his first lesson
Or perhaps one in the same, GG and SM??
PM sent to Gemby regarding getting some money to Mark.
If this isn't the funniest sh~t ever, a con man conning a con man, or just maybe giving him his first lesson
Or perhaps one in the same, GG and SM??
Nope. I spoke to mark on the phone in 2013 and shared a hunting camp with EFW and GG. Not same guy. Guess I am just lucky lol
“I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death,“
Well that didn’t age well....
Lots of people supported Mark at the time. Not a new revelation.
Anybody remember yalie? No. I'd stand with the devil himself against just about any lawyer.
Has this thread really been going for over 8 years? Dang.
Gotta learn to laugh at yourself brother...
The number of people (after I got out of the army ) that I would go to the wall for (and they for me) , you could count on one hand. They’re all dead now...
those people are few in your life
I would not purchase anything from a person that on more than one occasion has used the word proud to describe a deficiency.
You tell em, huntsman!
Moral of the story, Don't take a friggin' check from Yalie.....
Sure wish we had some virgin snake oil to sell….
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Bump because this thread will never not be funny…
Sure wish we had some virgin snake oil to sell….
Classless thread about a class individual. Mark is a great guy. Yalie is a douche socket
Got a chuckle out of this one........and agree 100% about safariman.
Joe George Raider supported Claiborne? Dumbazz
LOL
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
You're such a douche
LMAO
i'd deal with mark anyday. class guy all the way. honest and open and communicates very well during a deal.
SMFH
#killsFirearmSales
22 pages of s hit slinging by the 'Fire's finest, some folks just can't seem to let the topic die even though its been years since they ran Safariman off of this forum !
Man, there ya go. Everyone knows the man Mark is. And now we all know the man Yalie is. He's been on ignore since this started. His response to my PM about this was lame.
#whiteknight
#RoyTooInvestedonInternet
LMAO
Safariman was the David Koresh of the 'fire.......to some.
Mark, like many others, you have professed to be a Christian. Unlike many others, you actually live the life you believe in.This outpouring of freindship and support is a by-product of that...
22 pages of s hit slinging by the 'Fire's finest, some folks just can't seem to let the topic die even though its been years since they ran Safariman off of this forum !
do you ever get tired of being stupid?
22 pages of s hit slinging by the 'Fire's finest, some folks just can't seem to let the topic die even though its been years since they ran Safariman off of this forum !
Has it been years since you flunked out of gunsmith school..?
romper room for doosh nozzles is what this place has become.
romper room for doosh nozzles is what this place has become.
and you're here because you love being the pivot man
romper room for doosh nozzles is what this place has become.
+1 agreed
I still like the one story SM had about lugging a pistol to Chicago and carrying it concealed lol then got on here posted the story...
Hey remember that time he needed a scope for his disabled Vietnam vet buddy?? Several people sent him scopes and plethora of other chit. One of the scopes was famously photographed on his beloved 7mm mashburn lol.
BB & gitem, do a couple of dirtbags like you fellas honestly think I give a f uck what you think ?
Beleave It Was a Azz Shot Half Grown Bear.He Then Flew Into Action With The Plastic Mounted Winch On Old Yeller... The UberLanch.. And Brought It On Home...Guy Was a Walkng Shizt Show..
Beleave It Was a Azz Shot Half Grown Bear.He Then Flew Into Action With The Plastic Mounted Winch On Old Yeller... The UberLanch.. And Brought It On Home...Guy Was a Walkng Shizt Show..
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I forgot about the Uberlanch
22 pages of s hit slinging by the 'Fire's finest, some folks just can't seem to let the topic die even though its been years since they ran Safariman off of this forum !
...and I still catch schidt because of my handle. Maybe I should change it to "I'mNotSafariman".
That said, I had done a couple deals with Mark, and they were OK. I'm on the fence.
L2S
Anyone that can’t read and laugh about this thread seriously needs to check themselves.
this thread makes me feel younger its so old.
BB & gitem, do a couple of dirtbags like you fellas honestly think I give a f uck what you think ?
if you didn't you wouldnt comment.
Beleave It Was a Azz Shot Half Grown Bear.He Then Flew Into Action With The Plastic Mounted Winch On Old Yeller... The UberLanch.. And Brought It On Home...Guy Was a Walkng Shizt Show..
no he winched up the bear with the Truck mounted Trawling wich with TWO FULL MILES of cable on it
I made an exception for a dik head like you.
I made an exception for a dik head like you.
sure you did. did your wife buy you something nice with the 30 bucks I left on her dresser last night?
Pretty azzinine comment, about what's expected from a d ooshnozzle like you.
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
SM sashayed around a couple groups on Facebook with his "boy howdy" attitude and pompous bragging about the mythical qualities of his latest wildcat invention, and got sussed out pretty quickly there too.
Ya gotta have a pretty thick skin, be able to laugh at yourself while drinking warm beer with the guys, and see the humor in life's challenges, or you're gonna get lost in the shuffle of the 'Fire. It's my observation that the guys here who are the most butt-hurt are the most rigid humorless folks who take themselves and the subjects discussed here waaaaaaay too seriously.
I made an exception for a dik head like you.
sure you did. did your wife buy you something nice with the 30 bucks I left on her dresser last night?
LMFAO
GUNSwizard got new drawers from the breadwinner ‘s purse
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
Two lying peas in a cesspool pod!
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
Two lying peas in a cesspool pod!
whatever gay driver, your retarded mother said the same about you, I would deal with Mark over you anytime
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
Given Mark's verified record of cheating and lying, you may have been luckier than many others if you haven't had any problems with him.
If you choose to continue to do business with him, the future might not be so kind to you. IMO, anybody with Mark's record of scamming his insurance clients should be shunned, but I've never done any business with Mark, all I know about him is what I've read on this site.
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
Given Mark's verified record of cheating and lying, you may have been luckier than many others if you haven't had any problems with him.
If you choose to continue to do business with him, the future might not be so kind to you. IMO, anybody with Mark's record of scamming his insurance clients should be shunned, but I've never done any business with Mark, all I know about him is what I've read on this site.
Agreed.
I'm not sure how anyone could do business with a man who has pulled half the stuff Safariman has.
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
Given Mark's verified record of cheating and lying, you may have been luckier than many others if you haven't had any problems with him.
If you choose to continue to do business with him, the future might not be so kind to you. IMO, anybody with Mark's record of scamming his insurance clients should be shunned, but I've never done any business with Mark, all I know about him is what I've read on this site.
Agreed.
I'm not sure how anyone could do business with a man who has pulled half the stuff Safariman has.
maybe he didn't like the people he scammed
So all those elderly people he scammed and lost his license over, he didn’t like them either?
The only" dealings" Gemby has are in his imagination.
The only" dealings" Gemby has are in her imagination.
The only" dealings" Gemby has are in her imagination.
WOW that all you got another azz wipe that I won't do bussiness with
Gemby, keep digging yourself into the ground. Don't you know when to keep your mouth shut??
all my dealings with Mark, and there was alot, have been great, no problems what so ever, I would deal with him again
Given Mark's verified record of cheating and lying, you may have been luckier than many others if you haven't had any problems with him.
If you choose to continue to do business with him, the future might not be so kind to you. IMO, anybody with Mark's record of scamming his insurance clients should be shunned, but I've never done any business with Mark, all I know about him is what I've read on this site.
Agreed.
I'm not sure how anyone could do business with a man who has pulled half the stuff Safariman has.
maybe he didn't like the people he scammed
Or maybe he was just a run of the mill con-man?
He was certainly an arrogant person. People coming out of a bankruptcy action usually keep a pretty low profile and don't flaunt their new Harleys in the faces of the people who held them in debt until the bankruptcy court discharged those debts. If he'd owned me money, got the debt discharged through the bankruptcy court, and immediately had enough money or credit to buy new his and her's Harleys, I'd have asked the court to reopen the case. Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
The guy was just another snake oil salesman and a piece of crap.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
Old man that mentored me many years ago said, "he'd just rather do business with sinners" 😂
I made an exception for a dik head like you.
sure you did. did your wife buy you something nice with the 30 bucks I left on her dresser last night?
Inflation?
Ed is still waiting on his Ruger Charger bipod
LOL
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
We bought our present house in 1998, after looking at several others in the area. One met our needs, but was advertised as having two bathrooms, one on the main floor, the other in the basement. We looked at it, and it turned out the basement bathroom was an empty room, with an uninstalled toilet lying on the floor.
They also said they'd never heard the artillery practice from the National Guard range a half-mile away. I am all for NG artillery practice, but we'd already been living in the area around seven miles from the artillery range, and could hear it from there.
The owners turned out to be members of a certain religious group. Am not going to name it, but in our experience church members have been less than honest before about such things.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
There is a huge difference between professing Christians and Posessing Christians. Those who possess Christ, would never intentionally put the screws to another, not because they fear the outcome, but because they fear God.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
There is a huge difference between professing Christians and Posessing Christians. Those who possess Christ, would never intentionally put the screws to another, not because they fear the outcome, but because they fear God.
STFU, they don't fear a fuqking thing, they use that sheit to their benefit.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
There is a huge difference between professing Christians and Posessing Christians. Those who possess Christ, would never intentionally put the screws to another, not because they fear the outcome, but because they fear God.
STFU, they don't fear a fuqking thing, they use that sheit to their benefit.
Why don’t you shut up? This is a thread about bashing Safariman, stay on topic and bash him or gemby58, otherwise clam up you friggin’ dope.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
There is a huge difference between professing Christians and Posessing Christians. Those who possess Christ, would never intentionally put the screws to another, not because they fear the outcome, but because they fear God.
STFU, they don't fear a fuqking thing, they use that sheit to their benefit.
Why don’t you shut up? This is a thread about bashing Safariman, stay on topic and bash him or gemby58, otherwise clam up you friggin’ dope.
hey dick head why don't you shut up or go suck on your mommy tit best part of you ran down your mommy's leg
Why don’t you shut up? This is a thread about bashing Safariman, stay on topic and bash him or gemby58, otherwise clam up you friggin’ dope.
hey dick head why don't you shut up or go suck on your mommy tit best part of you ran down your mommy's leg
Still pissed that your old man wished he’d shot your wad against a wall? The difference between you and Safariman is that he quit posting once his deceptions were revealed.
Why don’t you shut up? This is a thread about bashing Safariman, stay on topic and bash him or gemby58, otherwise clam up you friggin’ dope.
hey dick head why don't you shut up or go suck on your mommy tit best part of you ran down your mommy's leg
Still pissed that your old man wished he’d shot your wad against a wall? The difference between you and Safariman is that he quit posting once his deceptions were revealed.
what deceptions, I never cheated anyone, name one,, and who's pissed, I don't give a damn what you say about me, you keep my posts to the top to help my selling, what's to be pissed about that, I would still rather deal with Mark than someone like you
gemby - What if it was your parents or grandparents that he'd deceived?
I've got no beef with you but the reality is that safariman is a narcissist without peer and wonderful waste of skin.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
The worst boss that I ever had was a self-professed Christian who took a very Jesuit view of things and told me straight out after he had used me as a scapegoat, blaming me for a decision that I had vigorously advised against, that he was more important than me, so sacrificing me was morally justified and that he did so with a clear conscience.
Several months after I had left that job, the person who succeeded me reached out and told me that he had been fired for a decision his boss had made. This guy had come to me when he was interviewing for my old job and asked me about the boss, so I told him that if anything went wrong, he, the new guy, would be blamed, but if there was a success, the boss would take credit for it and tell the higher ups that he had had to personally intervene to turn a potential failure into a success. The new guy said that I sounded like sour grapes, so I shrugged and told him good luck. He didn't last 6 months and had given up a less demanding job with comparable pay to take my previous job because it had more professional growth potential. I guess that he failed to factor in the risks associated with a Jesuit minded boss.
Mark claimed to be a religious man, so he surely knew that pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
When someone starts telling me how religious they are, I immediately place one hand over my wallet and the other hand over my ass - because I know they are going to try and empty the one while shoving it up the other.
Hindsight has taught me this lesson in business: the more quickly someone professes their Christianity, the faster I should have run away from them. The times I have been screwed over, it was done by people claiming to be Christians.
Truth. Actions speak louder than words. If you have to tell me what a good Christian you are, your a lying POS.
gemby - What if it was your parents or grandparents that he'd deceived?
I've got no beef with you but the reality is that safariman is a narcissist without peer and wonderful waste of skin.
I agree, just saying the dealings I had with him went smooth, he didn't cheat me, now if he did that to my parents then I would have a dog in this fight. and if you look I dint praise what he did to other, just said I wouldn't have a problem dealing with him again because of all other dealings I had with him. ust said my.past experience with Mark. I got drugged into this from the POS's hitnrun and jimh think they know it all
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
blah blah blah bunch of women who love gossip here
get over it
blah blah blah bunch of women who love gossip here
get over it
I agree
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
just because you hear something dont mean it's true
When is comes to Safariman it is.
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
You not only lie, but you are stupid.
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
To me, that is a learning disability. If someone screws me over I will NEVER do business with them again. Ever.
Over a quarter million views of this thread, the 'Fires obsession with Safariman is truly anal. You've run the guy off several years ago, move on to more interesting topics.
Tha only contact I've had with him was he sent me some new .348 brass that the factory had somehow sized to .400. He had noticed I had a .450/348 so he mailed me the brass at no charge and unsolicited he even paid the postage. As far as I could tell he was an upright guy and I would certainly deal with him if the opportunity presented. --- Mel
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
To me, that is a learning disability. If someone screws me over I will NEVER do business with them again. Ever.
see you don't run a bussiness worth a schit, when they supply what you need for your bussiness they you buy from them
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
You not only lie, but you are stupid.
WOW the best you have, your really are a f u c king retard, you s s s stupid
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
Birds of a feather....
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
Birds of a feather....
yeah you suck together, oh Jim boy you really think you borther me
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
You're a better person than me. I never do business with anyone who screws me on a deal or goes back on their word, life it too short to put up with people like that.
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
You're a better person than me. I never do business with anyone who screws me on a deal or goes back on their word, life it too short to put up with people like that.
people I put up with are wholesalers and suppliers, they go bankrupt too, I had guys put the screws to me on the fire, I just don't cry about it, I move on
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
Birds of a feather....
delt with Mark many times, i would deal with Mark any day of the week twice on Sunday, not cold day in he!! with you jimbo
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
Birds of a feather....
delt with Mark many times, i would deal with Mark any day of the week twice on Sunday, not cold day in he!! with you jimbo
Father/son relationship?
The CCI Mini Mags thread should be renamed The Gimpy Choad Experience and made a sticky!
Hey Choad Gimpy! Remember this picture of you and Gungizzard? Bring backs good memories, doesn't it?
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I found that picture on your FB page!
Gemby,
If I've had dealings with someone, even several, and I hear that they are screwing others, I am done with them. I figure that I could very well be next.
Have a good day,
Jerry
I had people that listed me a debit on the bankruptcy, got stuck, but life goes on and back doing bussiness with them
Birds of a feather....
delt with Mark many times, i would deal with Mark any day of the week twice on Sunday, not cold day in he!! with you jimbo
Anybodty who emerges from bankruptcy and immediately buys new Harleys from himself and his wife has got chutzph coming out of every bodily orfice. [bleep] your creditors, then rub their noses in it by buying yourself not one but two expensive toys and expect any respect or compassion? Not from a guy who ate hotdogs and raman for over a year so that everyone who was owed money got paid on time, every time, bar none.
If you dealt with him many times and didn't get screwed then you should count your lucky stars and recognize when a bullet is dodged.
260, birds of a feather flock together.
In his defense he did admit to being a lawyer right off!
What did you expect?
SM got my hairs on end early.
The whole broke, sick, building custom guns and Harleys....
Selling due to poverty, immediately buying stuff.
Wasn't hard to see. Long before the fall.
Thing is, everything there seemed good.
But my hackles were up before the grey matter figured out why.
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Anybodty who emerges from bankruptcy and immediately buys new Harleys from himself and his wife has got chutzph coming out of every bodily orfice. [bleep] your creditors, then rub their noses in it by buying yourself not one but two expensive toys and expect any respect or compassion? Not from a guy who ate hotdogs and raman for over a year so that everyone who was owed money got paid on time, every time, bar none.
If you dealt with him many times and didn't get screwed then you should count your lucky stars and recognize when a bullet is dodged.
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I guess im lucky he bought a bulk box of cci stingers off me, and another time some Federal bulk blue box 22LR, he sent payment I shipped ammo there was other transaction but these were the big ticket items. like I said I would deal again with him, his money is as good as anyones
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Anybodty who emerges from bankruptcy and immediately buys new Harleys from himself and his wife has got chutzph coming out of every bodily orfice. [bleep] your creditors, then rub their noses in it by buying yourself not one but two expensive toys and expect any respect or compassion? Not from a guy who ate hotdogs and raman for over a year so that everyone who was owed money got paid on time, every time, bar none.
If you dealt with him many times and didn't get screwed then you should count your lucky stars and recognize when a bullet is dodged.
I guess im lucky he bought a bulk box of cci stingers off me, and another time some Federal bulk blue box 22LR, he sent payment I shipped ammo there was other transaction but these were the big ticket items. like I said I would deal again with him, his money is as good as anyones[/quote]
Mark's money, like Larryt's money, is as good as anyone's money, but that doesn't keep them from being anything more than what they have proven themselves to be on this very site. When you sell something you're not taking any risk, you get paid and you ship, end of transaction. OTOH, when you buy something you're depending on the integrity of the seller to ship an item that matches what he/she claims that he/she is selling. Condition, configuration, originality, etc.
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Anybodty who emerges from bankruptcy and immediately buys new Harleys from himself and his wife has got chutzph coming out of every bodily orfice. [bleep] your creditors, then rub their noses in it by buying yourself not one but two expensive toys and expect any respect or compassion? Not from a guy who ate hotdogs and raman for over a year so that everyone who was owed money got paid on time, every time, bar none.
If you dealt with him many times and didn't get screwed then you should count your lucky stars and recognize when a bullet is dodged.
I guess im lucky he bought a bulk box of cci stingers off me, and another time some Federal bulk blue box 22LR, he sent payment I shipped ammo there was other transaction but these were the big ticket items. like I said I would deal again with him, his money is as good as anyones
Mark's money, like Larryt's money, is as good as anyone's money, but that doesn't keep them from being anything more than what they have proven themselves to be on this very site. When you sell something you're not taking any risk, you get paid and you ship, end of transaction. OTOH, when you buy something you're depending on the integrity of the seller to ship an item that matches what he/she claims that he/she is selling. Condition, configuration, originality, etc.[/quote]
true never bought anything off mark, just sold to him, maybe why no problem, I take no risk, he sends the funds I ship the item
...When you sell something you're not taking any risk, you get paid and you ship, end of transaction. OTOH, when you buy something you're depending on the integrity of the seller to ship an item that matches what he/she claims that he/she is selling. Condition, configuration, originality, etc.
Excellent points.
And anyone who stands up for a thief and a cheat is no better than them.
This thread is still going on since 2013??
anyone hear from Mark lately
Lol almost time for the yearly reminder…. Yee ph ucking haw!
And, as usual the muti 1000 post count control freak trolls just make up lies to slander other members.
No evidence, just the old Nazi technique of telling the same lie over and over until non-critical thinkers accept it as truth.
Lol almost time for the yearly reminder…. Yee ph ucking haw!
^^^ I think ya just smoked someone out. ^^^
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
Great post FB!
I'd like to whip that guys azz just to watch him grovel.
LMFAO!!
nsaqam killed himself years ago demonstrating how not to ride a motorcycle.
Who what am ordeal, webs of deceit throughout.
nsaqam killed himself years ago demonstrating how not to ride a motorcycle.
This is something only Larry Root would remember...
nsaqam killed himself years ago demonstrating how not to ride a motorcycle.
Wow for a new member registered this year.. Its amazing you would know such information.... Weren't you and safariman buddies??
And, as usual the muti 1000 post count control freak trolls just make up lies to slander other members.
No evidence, just the old Nazi technique of telling the same lie over and over until non-critical thinkers accept it as truth.
Well Larry ol Mark was a swindler and a hustler.. Kind of like you..
hmmm, funny that very well respected members came forward to stand up for Mark.
I.E. people who actually knew him, like me, not a troll toad like you.
As for swindler and hustler I still await you scum sucking liars to come up with ONE actual current member I have swindled or hustled.
Just ignore the Good Guy list as it doesn't fit your narrative.
You do qualify as trash beyond a doubt. Hopefully you'll end up like the single shot desert rat, killed by drug mules.
Doubt even a hungry bear would clean up your stinking carcazz.
hmmm, funny that very well respected members came forward to stand up for Mark.
I.E. people who actually knew him, like me, not a troll toad like you.
So Larry, you think you are a "well respected member"?
ROFLMAO!!!
Hey trolls:
Just added four more members to the Good Guy List.
How about you LMAO ?
Lol almost time for the yearly reminder…. Yee ph ucking haw!
^^^ I think ya just smoked someone out. ^^^
lol......!
3 morons in ONE post.
Usually confined to the HCF, shame it's creeping into a good forum.
hmmm, funny that very well respected members came forward to stand up for Mark.
I.E. people who actually knew him, like me, not a troll toad like you.
So Larry, you think you are a "well respected member"?
ROFLMAO!!!
Agree 100%
"Well respected members" don't change their user name as many time as Larry has and they don't get kicked off this site as many times as Larry has. Where are all these guys who wish to go on record to sing Larry's praises and contradict the jwgibson thread?
Mark's record has been well documented and nothing anyone can say will undo the facts of the matter.
I wouldn't buy from or sell to Larry Root and that is my choice to make. What others choose to do is on them.
The only record Mark has here and on other sites is a straight shooter.
If all the lies about him were true he would not be a free man.
Again the haters just make up lies with no real evidence of any criminal activity.
Typical nazi Democrats whose only tool is the smear/lie/fake narrative.
One might ask: if their lies were true why is he still a member here ?
As for 260Rem nobody really cares what he would or would not do as he is not a regular respected buyer/seller here or anywhere else. Just a fool cling to an obsolete cartridge that could never equal a Tikka 6.5x55.
Bigshot real estate man that no one has ever heard of. LAFFIN !
The only record Mark has here and on other sites is a straight shooter.
If all the lies about him were true he would not be a free man.
Again the haters just make up lies with no real evidence of any criminal activity.
Typical nazi Democrats whose only tool is the smear/lie/fake narrative.
One might ask: if their lies were true why is he still a member here ?
As for 260Rem nobody really cares what he would or would not do as he is not a regular respected buyer/seller here or anywhere else. Just a fool cling to an obsolete cartridge that could never equal a Tikka 6.5x55.
Bigshot real estate man that no one has ever heard of. LAFFIN !
Larry,
Did you forget about Mark's insurance fraud troubles?
So far in 2022 I've sold 26 firearms to 18 different people who participate on this site. I've also bought a bunch of stuff from people who participate on this site. Is that enough transactional volume to make me a regular respected buyer/seller?
While I do cling to 26 rifles in 260 REM, I also have 35 other rifles chamber for 6.5mm bore cartridges; 3x 256 Newton, 4x 6.5-284, 10x 6.5x55, and 18x 6.5 Creedmoor.
As far as real estate goes, my Wife and I own just over 4.300 acres of Nebraska corn and soybean farm ground free and clear. We are also 60% share holders in a company that owns resort rental units, condos and townhomes, in Breckenridge, Copper Mountain, and Dillon, Colorado. I never claimed to be a bigshot real estate man and there is no reason for anyone to have heard of me unless we are doing business or spending quality time together.
EDIT: i have met and/or done business with a lot of great people on this site, which isn't a surprise since most of the people who participate here are fellow shooting sports enthusiasts who are here to learn and share, not to push an agenda.. OTOH, you have participate on this site under multiple names and your behavior has been sufficiently egregious for Rick to have kicked you off multiple times. Your coming back over and over again seems like a game that you're playing with Rick, a lot like a trespasser who just doesn't get the message that he isn't wanted on the property. As I have stated previously, I won't buy from or sell to you. If other want to do business with you that is their choice to make.
The only record Mark has here and on other sites is a straight shooter.
If all the lies about him were true he would not be a free man.
Again the haters just make up lies with no real evidence of any criminal activity.
Typical nazi Democrats whose only tool is the smear/lie/fake narrative.
One might ask: if their lies were true why is he still a member here ?
As for 260Rem nobody really cares what he would or would not do as he is not a regular respected buyer/seller here or anywhere else. Just a fool cling to an obsolete cartridge that could never equal a Tikka 6.5x55.
Bigshot real estate man that no one has ever heard of. LAFFIN !
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Does any one remember the “my dad was murdered” thread?
Does any one remember the “my dad was murdered” thread?
Yeah, it was a sh*tshow. That was pretty much the final straw IIRC.
The only record Mark has here and on other sites is a straight shooter...
You sir are a liar.
Ran the guy off years ago, yet the hate for him persists. Only on the 24 HCF does this kind of behavior exist !
OTOH, you have participate on this site under multiple names and your behavior has been sufficiently egregious for Rick to have kicked you off multiple times.
I don't know about the veracity of 260Remguy's statement and I have zero reason to doubt him. However, if one has been kicked off of this forum even once, let alone multiple times, that individual should do some serious soul searching. Based on what is allowed, and I'm OK with that, one has to engage in some pretty egregious behavior to be banned.
Then why not ban the haters who perpetuate a thread like this ?
Then why not ban the haters who perpetuate a thread like this ?
gunswizard, if that posted question is in response to my post and directed toward me, I have to honestly answer, "I don't know". I don't make the rules. My only point is that, and nothing more, as it stands now, it apparently takes an awful lot of egregious behavior to be banned on this site.
My question/comment was not directed at you, it was asking why hate mongering was acceptable behavior and whatever Mark did was not.
Understood gunswizard. Be well.
Because hating on someone and pointing out he was/is a crook, is completely different than being the crook, sheesh.
How about because the naïve have such short memories and are perpetually stupid?
When you have guys like UpThePole/Larry Root sticking up for this guy is all you need to know.
Being a hater makes you somehow superior to being a crook ?
Being a hater makes you somehow superior to being a crook ?
I would darn sure think so!
Being a hater makes you somehow superior to being a crook ?
Absolutely
You guys are a bunch of heathens.
I'll stand by Mark in a firefight to the death, with whatever faults he might have, and throw that lawyer straight into the fiery furnace, one piece at a time. I hate guys like that that feel like documentation of an event justifies acting like a complete dickwad. I'd like to see this crankbait exposed in the town he lives in for his petty little mindset. Who knows him or lives nearby that can make this buttzit pay? If he had a fraction of a brain he'd honor the check, buy the gun, show some charity to a wonderful man, and apologize for his incredibly misguided attack on Mark.
My question/comment was not directed at you, it was asking why hate mongering was acceptable behavior and whatever Mark did was not.
What he did was not a single incident, more like how often he perpetuated ruse after ruse.
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