So on at 3:27 today, wonder what happens now with the bankruptcy?
Saw an ad for Mark Clairborne insurance in walla walla. Must be one of the businesses.
Since when does a Canadian buttfawker get to post whatever he wants here?
Did the Hyena Pack Members take a vote and let this cornholer in? How does it feel..........like it do ya? I'm not surprised.
I would like to see the results of this backas$$word canuckfawk poll.
Americans only here........please.
Wow, just Wow, you are funny, guess I forgot to apologize for being a "Canuck"
Pretty cocky thread for a canuckfawker.
Why don't you try to bully me, BC? I ain't one of these pathetic Hyena Pack fawks that will agree with you cuz they're gutless.
Knock it off with your candya$$ threads and posts and put up something that might interest Americans and generate an interesting American discussion, Fawkface.
A lot of your own posts half wit... Between your own whining, depressed, and addicted rants and what I have heard about you from other people that have made your acquaintance it's not really hard to figure you out.
A lot of your own posts half wit... Between your own whining, depressed, and addicted rants and what I have heard about you from other people that have made your acquaintance it's not really hard to figure you out.
Nobody here has made my acquaintance.
And you evidently incredibly believe everything you read on the net.......Chub-a-Dub.
And depressed is relative. When I look at you..........I fear one painful day that I may face the same sloooooowwww, painful, death sentence.
Odd you remember everything I post..........huh Stalker? For years...............
Claiborne Insurance Services Inc. A Proffesional Corporation
Claiborne Insurance Services Inc. A Proffesional Corporation is a small, fairly new insurance company in Walla Walla, Washington. It opened in 2012 and now has an estimated $130,000 in yearly revenue and approximately 2 employees.
Address: 123 E Main St Ste 241 Walla Walla, Washington 99362-1923
Claiborne Insurance Services Inc. A Proffesional Corporation
Claiborne Insurance Services Inc. A Proffesional Corporation is a small, fairly new insurance company in Walla Walla, Washington. It opened in 2012 and now has an estimated $130,000 in yearly revenue and approximately 2 employees.
Address: 123 E Main St Ste 241 Walla Walla, Washington 99362-1923
That's who I want managing my insurance: the guy that can't accurately count to 2.
Claiborne Insurance Services Inc. A Proffesional Corporation
Claiborne Insurance Services Inc. A Proffesional Corporation is a small, fairly new insurance company in Walla Walla, Washington. It opened in 2012 and now has an estimated $130,000 in yearly revenue and approximately 2 employees.
Address: 123 E Main St Ste 241 Walla Walla, Washington 99362-1923
That's who I want managing my insurance: the guy that can't accurately count to 2.
Is there anything more crooked than an insurance company ?
No one is forced to buy insurance unless its through FEMA issues. Or vehicle liability to protect others from idiots.
Mortgage companies require you to buy insurance on the home they are loaning you money to buy. Banks require you to buy insurance on the car they are loaning you money to buy. And if you have a car that is paid for, your required liability insurance protects other drivers from you.
SafariMan would be an insurance agent, not an insurance company . To have an agency, he would need to have insurance companies appoint him. To obtain the appointments, he would need to be licensed . Is he licensed in WA? If he isn't licensed, or fraudulently obtained a license and is presenting himself as an agent, there could be a whole new list of issues.
Taking the lord's name in vain isn't about cussing, never was, it's about using his name to deceive, justify, support behavior harmful to another.
Kent you continue to amaze me with how you can sum things up in just a few works. Other people would write volumes to say what you say in a couple of paragraphs. miles
Taking the lord's name in vain isn't about cussing, never was, it's about using his name to deceive, justify, support behavior harmful to another.
Kent you continue to amaze me with how you can sum things up in just a few works. Other people would write volumes to say what you say in a couple of paragraphs. miles
Taking the lord's name in vain isn't about cussing, never was, it's about using his name to deceive, justify, support behavior harmful to another.
Kent you continue to amaze me with how you can sum things up in just a few works. Other people would write volumes to say what you say in a couple of paragraphs. miles
Yep, well said.
It is so offensive it made number three on the top ten list.
I've never had any involvement with Mark here or elsewhere. But I have with the likes of Sean, Sheridan and others I trust. It's not hard to know who tells the truth and who doesn't.
A con man has to be nice. One will not trust someone that they do not like. I hate to say this, but I won't trust salesmen who try using God to inspire ones confidence.
I learned the hard way concerning SM's lies, deceit and bad behavior. Soon after the Ruger episode I received a hand written multi-page letter from him with the "I'm a Christian, please forgive me, I need the money." theme.
I've never met SM or AA and don't care to meet either. If there is anyone that should be banned it is him.
Let me say that "I'm a Christian" and real Christians don't treat people like SM has treated many here on the Fire and other places.
The fake apostle Saul/Paul started selling "Christ" after inventing him as an imaginative addition to the story of Jesus (who was actually an itinerant Pharisee rabbi of the First Century).
Supposedly a magical "get in free" ticket to "heaven"......the Christ scam has been lucrative for charlatans from Saul/Paul to Swaggart and Robertson.
I can't see how Christ can be sold - or bought for that matter. Care to explain how that happens?
But you probably knew what he meant. Christians preying on other Christians is an old game.
I doubt he knew what I meant, he's a box of rocks.
Steelhead, you have exposed your act here many times, so it was easy to see what you were trying to accomplish. That's why you were invited to explain how - which you did not do. You merely cited the name of one charlatan as a weak dodge. Anyone halfway intelligent knows that advertised Christians have used that as a base for selling stuff to Christians and non-Christians as well. All sorts of self-proclaimed "religious" folks of all stripes have done so for ages - not just alleged Christians. But,the sale of Christ was the point of your comment and now, again, the point of the question to you - and the sale of eternal life is the point to the person who said that it has been sold. Both of you have the opportunity now to explain how Christ, and eternal life, can be bought and sold by any human being. Snide, clever diversions won't cut it. Let's see where the box of rocks resides.
I have nothing personally against Safariman , i just wouldn't do any business with him because i couldn't believe anything he has to say about anything. I have very little trust in anyone who uses religion as a crutch . One other thing i can't stand is anyone who posted everything that is wrong with them health wise to get someone to feel sorry for them just so they can get a hand out. I personally just don't care what is wrong with anyone health wise, all i can say is deal with it and keep it to yourself.
Steelhead, you have exposed your act here many times, so it was easy to see what you were trying to accomplish. That's why you were invited to explain how - which you did not do. You merely cited the name of one charlatan as a weak dodge. Anyone halfway intelligent knows that advertised Christians have used that as a base for selling stuff to Christians and non-Christians as well. All sorts of self-proclaimed "religious" folks of all stripes have done so for ages - not just alleged Christians. But,the sale of Christ was the point of your comment and now, again, the point of the question to you - and the sale of eternal life is the point to the person who said that it has been sold. Both of you have the opportunity now to explain how Christ, and eternal life, can be bought and sold by any human being. Snide, clever diversions won't cut it. Let's see where the box of rocks resides.
I'd attempt but I'd get more out of trying to explain to a fence post.
Steelhead, you have exposed your act here many times, so it was easy to see what you were trying to accomplish. That's why you were invited to explain how - which you did not do. You merely cited the name of one charlatan as a weak dodge. Anyone halfway intelligent knows that advertised Christians have used that as a base for selling stuff to Christians and non-Christians as well. All sorts of self-proclaimed "religious" folks of all stripes have done so for ages - not just alleged Christians. But,the sale of Christ was the point of your comment and now, again, the point of the question to you - and the sale of eternal life is the point to the person who said that it has been sold. Both of you have the opportunity now to explain how Christ, and eternal life, can be bought and sold by any human being. Snide, clever diversions won't cut it. Let's see where the box of rocks resides.
I'd attempt but I'd get more out of trying to explain to a fence post.
Another chicken**** dodge from the box of rocks himself. You can't explain it. At least you have enough sense to not try - but not enough to have avoided stating the stupid in the first place. Weak.
Sorry, but you've proven time and again that you are incapable. You should re-read some your Antelope Sniper posts, no different. I'd likely have the same outlook as you if I knew how Ken Howell's catheter tasted. Carry on
Dodging again - you seem to like to wise off like a smartmouth until someone challenges what you post. Then, your weakness and true colors show up. AS can't deal with the straight/tough questions either - he dodges like you do. You and he share a trait - when you are trapped by your own statements and can't defend - you turn nasty and vulgar. This latest post is one more example of your weak, crass vulgarity. Carry on!
And we would probably have the same outlook as you, Steel, if we had the bringing up of you. We dont need the details or need to be psychiatrists to know what happened to you in your upbringing, or lack thereof. An alcoholic, chain smoking mother certainly and negatively affected your perception of women.
May God forgive the parent who pissed on you. And, the "christian" who pissed on you too.
And we would probably have the same outlook as you, Steel, if we had the bringing up of you. We dont need the details or need to be psychiatrists to know what happened to you in your upbringing, or lack thereof. An alcoholic, chain smoking mother certainly and negatively affected your perception of women.
May God forgive the parent who pissed on you. And, the "christian" who pissed on you too.
HE meant for you to be an Eagle, not a vulture.
You could have been an officer and a gentleman.
You are really hot chitt, you hit 50%.
I didn't have a mom, my father and I shared your old [bleep] of a mother.
I can't wait (like your wife) till the day you die you old bastard. I'll post pics on the 'Fire of me pissing on your grave, I PROMISE.
Sorry, but you've proven time and again that you are incapable. You should re-read some your Antelope Sniper posts, no different. I'd likely have the same outlook as you if I knew how Ken Howell's catheter tasted. Carry on
Dodging again - you seem to like to wise off like a smartmouth until someone challenges what you post. Then, your weakness and true colors show up. AS can't deal with the straight/tough questions either - he dodges like you do. You and he share a trait - when you are trapped by your own statements and can't defend - you turn nasty and vulgar. This latest post is one more example of your weak, crass vulgarity. Carry on!
Sweet Jesus, how do I explain to a man with a 3rd grade intellect?
I'll tell you what, I'll get some crayons and craft paper and snap a few pics, perhaps you'll follow, or perhaps you'll not see what a posted about selling Christ as a shot to you. Apparently not though.
Both of you have the opportunity now to explain how Christ, and eternal life, can be bought and sold by any human being. Snide, clever diversions won't cut it. Let's see where the box of rocks resides.
There were no diversions.
You were given the simple truth several times and several ways on this thread.
You just reject the truth because you can't handle the truth.
Both of you have the opportunity now to explain how Christ, and eternal life, can be bought and sold by any human being. Snide, clever diversions won't cut it. Let's see where the box of rocks resides.
There were no diversions. You were given the simple truth several times and several ways on this thread. You just reject the truth because you can't handle the truth. Nobody can help you with that but you.
Either you can't read or are delusional. I didn't reject anything. There is a huge difference between using a religious position as a base for bad behavior and the contention that Christ can be bought/sold. I acknowledged the common experience that some alleged Christians, and some professing other religious beliefs, do use their religious posture/connections to prey on others or sell stuff. Did you read that? And, did you get it?
Also pointed out that those deplorable situations are inadequate to support that poster's contention that Christ, and eternal life, are bought and sold – and invited him to explain how such is done. He has since said that his vapid post was aimed at someone. One of his problems is that he missed badly, and the return fire stripped his case bare.
Both of you have the opportunity now to explain how Christ, and eternal life, can be bought and sold by any human being. Snide, clever diversions won't cut it. Let's see where the box of rocks resides.
There were no diversions. You were given the simple truth several times and several ways on this thread. You just reject the truth because you can't handle the truth. Nobody can help you with that but you.
Either you can't read or are delusional. I didn't reject anything. There is a huge difference between using a religious position as a base for bad behavior and the contention that Christ can be bought/sold. I acknowledged the common experience that some alleged Christians, and some professing other religious beliefs, do use their religious posture/connections to prey on others or sell stuff. Did you read that? And, did you get it?
Also pointed out that those deplorable situations are inadequate to support that poster's contention that Christ, and eternal life, are bought and sold – and invited him to explain how such is done. He has since said that his vapid post was aimed at someone. One of his problems is that he missed badly, and the return fire stripped his case bare.
Sorry, but you've proven time and again that you are incapable. You should re-read some your Antelope Sniper posts, no different. I'd likely have the same outlook as you if I knew how Ken Howell's catheter tasted. Carry on
Dodging again - you seem to like to wise off like a smartmouth until someone challenges what you post. Then, your weakness and true colors show up. AS can't deal with the straight/tough questions either - he dodges like you do. You and he share a trait - when you are trapped by your own statements and can't defend - you turn nasty and vulgar. This latest post is one more example of your weak, crass vulgarity. Carry on!
Sweet Jesus, how do I explain to a man with a 3rd grade intellect? I'll tell you what, I'll get some crayons and craft paper and snap a few pics, perhaps you'll follow, or perhaps you'll not see what a posted about selling Christ as a shot to you. Apparently not though.
You can try all of the derogatory junk you have stored up - it is ineffective in these conditions. At least you are flushed out of the weeds to the degree that you say it was a personal shot. Your problems seem to be that your aim is quite poor, your ego looks to be way bigger than your ability to think through complex issues, you are lousy at argument and, apparently, your baggage is dragging. How does it feel to be dumber than a 3rd grader?
so many of you guys act like you hate Safariman...
Then at the same time, anything about him goes on for pages...
Do you really love him, Love to bitch about him.. or Have Nothing Better to do?
Not taking sides either way... just pointing out, there are a batch of people that really evidently love to flog a dead horse...
or for those that have ever been part of a 12 step program of any type, maybe ought to pass on the concept of taking other people's inventory.... where they point out when you point the accusational finger at someone else, remember your hand has three fingers pointing back at you...
I'd assume most of you boys are a little better than this.. not all of ya, but most of ya...
and as was pointed out a long time ago... its a small core that seem to not be able to let this stuff, or let go of bitching about Safariman or his wife for that matter...
make whatever assumptions ya want folks... it ain't aimed at all of you.. but enough of you...
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
so many of you guys act like you hate Safariman...
Then at the same time, anything about him goes on for pages...
Do you really love him, Love to bitch about him.. or Have Nothing Better to do?
Not taking sides either way... just pointing out, there are a batch of people that really evidently love to flog a dead horse...
or for those that have ever been part of a 12 step program of any type, maybe ought to pass on the concept of taking other people's inventory.... where they point out when you point the accusational finger at someone else, remember your hand has three fingers pointing back at you...
I'd assume most of you boys are a little better than this.. not all of ya, but most of ya...
and as was pointed out a long time ago... its a small core that seem to not be able to let this stuff, or let go of bitching about Safariman or his wife for that matter...
make whatever assumptions ya want folks... it ain't aimed at all of you.. but enough of you...
The myth of "Christ" is a commodity that has garnered BILLIONS of dollars for crooks.
Starting with the liar Saul/Paul, on through many Popes and Protestant reformers and on to the local pastor who makes a nice living doing nothing but spewing homilies and fake comfort to the gullible.
All religion is about selling fake comfort, a ticket to heaven and snake oil miracles.
Now, that's ok if you want to buy it and it makes you feel good.....but don't expect the rest of us to pretend it's the truth to help you feel better.
So, youre a christian who belives in Jesus, but judges others?
Yep, I do, sad but true, and I have sat in judgement of Mark and freely admit it. Even you eyeball have judged members of this forum. We all do it, a so called Christian or not a so called Christian, silently, or loud as you please, either way, judgement is judgement.
You know, I remember when this kind of thing happend all the time...40 years ago...when I was in the 7th grade. I think they called it a "Slam Book" back then.
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
The fake apostle Saul/Paul started selling "Christ" after inventing him as an imaginative addition to the story of Jesus (who was actually an itinerant Pharisee rabbi of the First Century).
Supposedly a magical "get in free" ticket to "heaven"......the Christ scam has been lucrative for charlatans from Saul/Paul to Swaggart and Robertson.
wonder how those that say its no big deal are gonna feel if one of their friends, sons, grandsons, nephews they tell to check out this site gets taken by Mark are gonna feel? i tell a fair number of people bout this site, most check it out and thats it, every once in awhile one sticks around....the guy is a crook not just by his dealings here but ruled so in court.....and he shows ZERO remorse or interest in stopping....for phug sake people get pissed about Stick or Steelhead and comparatively they have done nothing....but yeah lets drop the phugger actually stealing from members here.....
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
Agree. Until he is gone for keeps, the right thing in my book is to make as many people aware of a con man in our midst. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
so many of you guys act like you hate Safariman...
Then at the same time, anything about him goes on for pages...
Do you really love him, Love to bitch about him.. or Have Nothing Better to do?
Not taking sides either way... just pointing out, there are a batch of people that really evidently love to flog a dead horse...
or for those that have ever been part of a 12 step program of any type, maybe ought to pass on the concept of taking other people's inventory.... where they point out when you point the accusational finger at someone else, remember your hand has three fingers pointing back at you...
I'd assume most of you boys are a little better than this.. not all of ya, but most of ya...
and as was pointed out a long time ago... its a small core that seem to not be able to let this stuff, or let go of bitching about Safariman or his wife for that matter...
make whatever assumptions ya want folks... it ain't aimed at all of you.. but enough of you...
Classic...
yeah it is "classic" Rauncho Bozo....
you actually were the Dweeb at the top of the list....
You live for this crap, as your personal life must be that pathetic....you couldn't say anything positive about anyone else if someone held a shotgun to your nose...
but party on Butthead.... no one can do a better job of making an ass out of you, than yourself..
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
If you have an issue with it... or anyone else, learn to use the ignore feature....instead of coming on repeatedly and flogging the dead horse being made out of this...
And we would probably have the same outlook as you, Steel, if we had the bringing up of you. We dont need the details or need to be psychiatrists to know what happened to you in your upbringing, or lack thereof. An alcoholic, chain smoking mother certainly and negatively affected your perception of women.
May God forgive the parent who pissed on you. And, the "christian" who pissed on you too.
HE meant for you to be an Eagle, not a vulture.
You could have been an officer and a gentleman.
You are really hot chitt, you hit 50%.
I didn't have a mom, my father and I shared your old [bleep] of a mother.
I can't wait (like your wife) till the day you die you old bastard. I'll post pics on the 'Fire of me pissing on your grave, I PROMISE.
Can you not see that the hatred inside you is eating you alive? Eyeball, whom you just cursed is and will be fine, but...wow. I am not good at praying for those I dislike, but I just said one for you.
As strange as it may seem, I first got clued in on Safariman because he insisted on posting the hottest reloads with no sense of restraint whatsoever. Imagine what would happen if a young guy or anybody just starting out in reloading would happen upon his crap?
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
If you have an issue with it... or anyone else, learn to use the ignore feature....instead of coming on repeatedly and flogging the dead horse being made out of this...
Hmmmm, I seem to recall several gave you the EXACT same advise when you where riding BigStick's cyber nuts from thread to thread for quite an extended period of time. You ignored their advise.... just saying.
It's just the fact that the topic is a dead horse.
There is a good guy list in the classifieds. It is probabaly time to clean that up and condense it.
No one good or bad, deservers this much attention.
One would think hunting season was over...and people had nothing better to do.
how is it dead if he plans on keeping on with it? dead means he has left the site and isnt coming back....it is on going yet....
By dead, I mean everyone is preaching to the choir.
Do you believe anyone posting an opinion here is making a rational appeal?
If you feel the need to protect the innocent, send them a PM.
Has this become some kind of witch-hunt or moral crusade?
Has it become the business of the fire to ostracize or excommunicate its members?
given Rick's policy more or less of self governing yeah thats exactly what we should be doing....and given a whole lot of the classifieds is done via PM publicly hounding the guy is the only way to protect others....find it interesting alot of the same people that will follow other members around being jack arses just cause they dislike a member cause they view them to be an arsehole are telling others to knock it off when we do it to a member that is financially phugging others.....
find it odd that being an arsehole isnt allowed and should be hounded but ripping people off is and should be ignored and others left to fend for themselves against a con man.....some people have really phugged up values....
I've got no problem openly mocking Safariman, but Yall should drop the whole "I'm morally compelled to make fun of him" bit. You're doing for the simple reason that it's fun and he's an easy target. And there's nothing wrong with that.
aint claiming moral high ground other than dont want him phugging over more people....just pointing out that others have no problem hounding someone for being nothing but an arsehole but we should drop the harassing Mark when he is actually harming people....that is a morally phugged up view of the world no matter how you slice it....their petty issues are ok but someone actually being harmed should just be ignored....yeah thats not morally phugged at all
I've got no problem openly mocking Safariman, but Yall should drop the whole "I'm morally compelled to make fun of him" bit. You're doing for the simple reason that it's fun and he's an easy target. And there's nothing wrong with that.
i tore into TRH largely for my own entertainment.....same with Root.....Mark is different, with Mark im pissed at myself for defending him for a couple years and hate thinking that because of me and others like me that he had fooled others got conned taking our words he was a decent guy....
Mark uses the classifieds, the campfire and even out of the blue pm's to help him con people using religion or his real health issues to get people to trust him and feel sorry for him in order to rip them off.....simply putting him on ignore or pming people is going to do nothing to help put a stop to his bullchit on this site....
and i do find it really phuggin funny that individuals that will follow other members on here around phugging up other peoples threads just cause they think someone is an arsehole are telling us to 'just put Mark on ignore' when he is screwing people over when they refused to do it themselves just cause they didnt like what another had said but hadnt actually hurt anyone....people perfectly fine phugging up thread after thread over petty chit are now unhappy about a handful of threads that just get repeated play and are easily ignored by anyone not interested in them....
I find it amusing that the ones clamoring for just use the ignore function can't do so without actually using it.
You know that any thread by or about Mark is going to turn out the same way. The man is a crook, plain and simple, keep the spotlight on in him till he is gone.
Sure, you boys win... have it your way and knock yourselves out...
who am I to get in the way of those saving the world...one forum at a time...
I think you are of the good guys around here... What I don't understand how you sit by idle while he does these shenanigans.. Do I think every thread he ever started needs to be revised NO. But SM needs help bad... I'm sure you got random texts from SM. I did one time saying he had two pre64 for sale needed to sell them due to his medical condition and needed to cash to go to California I think he would accept payments, checks, if money was to be sent he needed it sent western union by a certain date. I don't even know the guy never had any transactions with him but at the time I thought it was very odd. For a fellow to be sending random texts. How he had my number he had pre64 previously that I wanted to see pictures of cause I was interested in it only way he could send picture was from his phone.
I've got no problem openly mocking Safariman, but Yall should drop the whole "I'm morally compelled to make fun of him" bit. You're doing for the simple reason that it's fun and he's an easy target. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Laughing here, been reading this and the other thread about SM. They seem to have everything, like drama for example (I hate that Fugger"; NO!, I hate him more).
Self-aggrandizement. (I am doing this for y'all)
Realization. (I usta think he were OK, but no more)
Its like an internet race riot, I am just waiting for all you fuggers to burn the site down.
Shooting the bear in the butt was not the sin. Bragging about shooting it in the azz, and how he left it for his friend to finish off the next day( by the way which probably made said friend the person legally obligated to tag the bear), and then professed how much of an awesome hunter he was because of his 338 superdouche magnum
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
If you have an issue with it... or anyone else, learn to use the ignore feature....instead of coming on repeatedly and flogging the dead horse being made out of this...
Friends don't let friends buy schitt from douchebags like Safariman...
Mark uses the classifieds, the campfire and even out of the blue pm's to help him con people using religion or his real health issues to get people to trust him and feel sorry for him in order to rip them off.....simply putting him on ignore or pming people is going to do nothing to help put a stop to his bullchit on this site....
And no one has brought up Sitka Deer being a liar and thief. To this day, he still hasn't returned my stock or cartridge trap, or made restitution.
That surprises me, Art never struck me as a thief or somebody who would want to prolong a shreetstorm. After all the discussion about that stock, not sure why he won't just send the damn thing back, he must have a spiteful side that does not show through on an internet forum.
Mark uses the classifieds, the campfire and even out of the blue pm's to help him con people using religion or his real health issues to get people to trust him and feel sorry for him in order to rip them off.....simply putting him on ignore or pming people is going to do nothing to help put a stop to his bullchit on this site....
Are people sending the guy money?
I seem to remember a thread talking about people sending safariman money to help with his woes that he plead "poor me" to in a "pray for me" thread. But i cant remember for sure
Mark uses the classifieds, the campfire and even out of the blue pm's to help him con people using religion or his real health issues to get people to trust him and feel sorry for him in order to rip them off.....simply putting him on ignore or pming people is going to do nothing to help put a stop to his bullchit on this site....
Are people sending the guy money?
I seem to remember a thread talking about people sending safariman money to help with his woes that he plead "poor me" to in a "pray for me" thread. But i cant remember for sure
Mark uses the classifieds, the campfire and even out of the blue pm's to help him con people using religion or his real health issues to get people to trust him and feel sorry for him in order to rip them off.....simply putting him on ignore or pming people is going to do nothing to help put a stop to his bullchit on this site....
Are people sending the guy money?
I was thinking that, but wasn't too sure
I seem to remember a thread talking about people sending safariman money to help with his woes that he plead "poor me" to in a "pray for me" thread. But i cant remember for sure
Barkoff, He probably messed it up so bad, it's useless, and after all his high and mighty talk on stock work, is too embarrassed to let it be known he is full of crap, and can't do, what he brags so much about.
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
If you have an issue with it... or anyone else, learn to use the ignore feature....instead of coming on repeatedly and flogging the dead horse being made out of this...
Friends don't let friends buy schitt from douchebags like Safariman...
no its friends don't tell friends how to spend their money...
The fake apostle Saul/Paul started selling "Christ" after inventing him as an imaginative addition to the story of Jesus (who was actually an itinerant Pharisee rabbi of the First Century).
Supposedly a magical "get in free" ticket to "heaven"......the Christ scam has been lucrative for charlatans from Saul/Paul to Swaggart and Robertson.
The book is both shocking and important. That Saul/Paul character is the key card that, when pulled out, causes that whole "Christian" house of cards to collapse.
Here's an excerpt from one of the reviews on Amazon:
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Hyam Maccoby's "The Mythmaker, Paul and the Invention of Christianity" is one of the most profound and important books I've ever read. It's sat on my bookshelf for years; I've read through it several times. I've had a long time to think about this book and its various conclusions before submitting this review, so here goes. Maccoby's argument, in a nutshell, is that Pauline-Christian Scripture (i.e. the so-called "New Testament") is a revision. The real inventor of what we now know as Christianity was not Jesus of Nazareth, but rather Paul of Tarsus. To use the analogy that Maccoby himself uses, Jesus was no more the inventor of Christianity than was the real Prince Hamlet of Denmark the author of the plays of Shakespeare. Maccoby invokes the explanation for Christian origins given by a group long ago dismissed as heretical by the Pauline-Church, the Ebionites. According to the Ebionites, the claims Paul made in his letters to have been a great Pharisee rabbi were bogus; indeed Paul's claim's to have been a true-born Jew were bogus as well: according to the Church father, Epiphanius, "They (i.e. the Ebionites) declare that he (i.e. Paul) was a Greek, born of a Greek mother and a Greek father..." Now before you dismiss that out of hand consider this: there are a number of instances in Paul's letters where he uses the third-person plural pronoun "we" to comprehend both himself and the Gentiles (for example, Galatians 3:14, "...that in Christ the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the spirit through faith.") Why would someone who was Jewish say "we" as in "we Gentiles"? How on Earth does that make any sense? But if Paul was himself a Gentile that otherwise-unsolvable problem would be immediately solved. "But what about Paul's great status as a Pharisee rabbi?" I hear you say. "Paul's masterful learning as a religious Jew is manifest throughout his letters" (or so we've been told). "That should be sufficient to refute the notion that Paul was really a Gentile", you say. This is where Maccoby really shines. As a modern expert in exactly the kind of wisdom in which Paul was claiming to be expert, there is no one in the world more authoritative to adjudicate whether or not Paul's claim's to have been a Pharisee were genuine. And Maccoby's analysis of Paul amounts to nothing less than a thorough shredding. Read chapter 7 of "The Mythmaker", "Alleged Rabbinical Style in Paul's Epistles". If you were raised to believe that Paul's letters evince a great mastery of Jewish law and religion, get set to have the most mind-blowing experience of your reading life: Maccoby successfully shows that Paul is muddled, illogical, innacurate - in short, the exact opposite of what you'd expect from a rabbi. To be sure there are times in Paul's letters when he is clearly trying to sound like a Pharisee rabbi ... and not succeeding. The idea that Paul was a great master of Jewish religion is, frankly, a myth promulgated by the Pauline Church and ultimately originated by Paul himself.
I don't take internet forum pizzing matches too serious, but this?
Damn!! That ain't a good character reference right there.
To Safariman I say, it's your history, you have to live with it..why do you bother to hang around a forum where you are no longer respected? I don't take much of what is said here as truth, but that judgement speaks volumes.
The evidence has demonstrated that Mr. Claiborne committed multiple violations of insurance laws in connection with the sale of annuities. Most significantly, despite his knowledge of the requirement that he attempt to ascertain whether the sale of an annuity was not unsuitable, Mr. Claiborne, on at least three occasions, recommended the sale of annuities to elderly individuals without a meaningful assessment of their economic circumstances. With regard to Ms. Holmes, Mr. Claiborne recommended the sale of an annuity Page 28 of 30 Amended Proposed Order, Claiborne, Case No. INS 10-02-005 that resulted in an immediate loss of more than $2,000 and the potential for future lost interest payments. With regard to the Woods, Mr. Claiborne recommended the sale of an annuity despite having almost no information regarding the Woods‟s savings and investments. When Bankers Life questioned the suitability of the investment, Mr. Claiborne altered a form which Mr. Wood had previously signed as being accurate. When confronted about changes to the document, Mr. Claiborne gave conflicting and increasingly self-serving answers. With regard to the Holloway transaction, Mr. Claiborne recommended the sale of an annuity that he knew would be funded primarily through the surrender of a variable annuity and actively assisted Mr. Holloway in discussions with Prudential to secure the necessary forms needed to complete the transaction. Mr. Claiborne made this recommendation despite the fact he had never read the policy nor understood its unique and advantageous features for Mr. Holloway. Despite his knowledge, Mr. Claiborne falsely indicated on Mr. Holloway‟s application that he was not replacing an existing annuity, and did not plan on doing so. Mr. Claiborne offered no reasonable explanation for his conduct, but falsely asserted that he was not aware of Mr. Holloway‟s decision to surrender the Prudential annuity. The evidence also established that Mr. Claiborne made false statements, as well as an untimely response to the Division, including statements under oath, in an attempt to shield himself from liability for his conduct. His statements to investigators were often self-serving, contradictory, and contrary to all other available evidence. Given those false statements, the Division can have no assurance that Mr. Claiborne will fully cooperate with any future investigations that might arise. Mr. Claiborne has thus demonstrated a willingness to deceive other insurance companies, the Division, and most importantly, the consumers, to serve his own interests. Because the Division cannot rely on Mr. Claiborne to tell the truth, its ability to effectively regulate his conduct to protect consumers in the future will be severely restricted. Given the evidence in this matter, the ALJ concluded that the appropriate sanction is revocation. ORS 744.074(1) allows the Division to revoke Mr. Claiborne‟s license. The Division takes seriously its responsibility to protect the public from unscrupulous licensees. Mr. Claiborne‟s license has already been suspended once for similar misconduct. (Ex. A1.) Given his prior discipline and level of misconduct at issue here, the Division finds that the only appropriate sanction is the revocation2 of Mr. Claiborne‟s license.
It's just the fact that the topic is a dead horse.
There is a good guy list in the classifieds. It is probabaly time to clean that up and condense it.
No one good or bad, deservers this much attention.
One would think hunting season was over...and people had nothing better to do.
how is it dead if he plans on keeping on with it? dead means he has left the site and isnt coming back....it is on going yet....
By dead, I mean everyone is preaching to the choir.
Do you believe anyone posting an opinion here is making a rational appeal?
If you feel the need to protect the innocent, send them a PM.
Has this become some kind of witch-hunt or moral crusade?
Has it become the business of the fire to ostracize or excommunicate its members?
given Rick's policy more or less of self governing yeah thats exactly what we should be doing....and given a whole lot of the classifieds is done via PM publicly hounding the guy is the only way to protect others....find it interesting alot of the same people that will follow other members around being jack arses just cause they dislike a member cause they view them to be an arsehole are telling others to knock it off when we do it to a member that is financially phugging others.....
find it odd that being an arsehole isnt allowed and should be hounded but ripping people off is and should be ignored and others left to fend for themselves against a con man.....some people have really phugged up values....
Rattler,
I don't see anything wrong with jumping on any new posts SM makes, esp. where it looks like he is running a scam.
I do object to re-starting 4 year old posts, because a) that horse is already out of the barn and b) some well meaning soul is bound to get snookered all over again. (I think 2 different posters offered up scopes yesterday to a 4 year old post.)
I'm not now and have never been a SM supporter.
There is plenty of conning going on, on the 24Hr Campfire, and it isn't all about money, a lot is about self-esteem.
when it comes to that not my damn fault you cant stand taking chit.....ive taken crap for one thing or another from all the individuals here that can be arseholes and you dont see me following them around making a jackarse out of myself.....here is a thought grow a pair and ignore them.....if your going to be on a largely unmoderated public forum you need thick skin....didnt realize less than a handful of old posts brought to the top for a different view in light of the current facts is such an inconvenience....especially with all the other BS that gets dozens of threads....
real interesting those saying ignore are the ones least capable of actually doing it....
I brought an old post up today, and I will again if I so desire. I have nothing to hide from the world, and I personally don't give a damn who gets their sagging pea sized nuts in a uproar over it....
They ain't saggin' too bad yet either for some reason.
A cold day will still pucker 'em up right smart,...makes the whole package look like an elephant skinned tennis ball,..fer lack of a better description.
I brought an old post up today, and I will again if I so desire. I have nothing to hide from the world, and I personally don't give a damn who gets their sagging pea sized nuts in a uproar over it....
How wonderful for you. I applaud your quiet heroism.
I brought an old post up today, and I will again if I so desire. I have nothing to hide from the world, and I personally don't give a damn who gets their sagging pea sized nuts in a uproar over it....
They ain't saggin' too bad yet either for some reason.
A cold day will still pucker 'em up right smart,...makes the whole package look like an elephant skinned tennis ball,..fer lack of a better description.
I'm not sure who you are replying to, it says Partsman in your message. I'm not sure it matters either.
Would you agree that keeping new people from being snookered is a laudable goal?
Can you see the difference between banging on SM for any new posts, and banging on SM for 4 year old posts?
Do you understand that some people on here can't even distinguish the two types of posts?
Are you against fooling people on here, or only against fooling people by someone you no longer like?
Sycamore
what have the others taken away? you say self esteem but if you think anyone controls that but yourself your a fool, hence the 'self' in self esteem.....splattermattic brought up his stock but im pretty sure ive seen someone bring that up fairly recently other than him in a thread SD posted on so not like thats been forgotten either....
and if people cant look real quick to see what the date on a post is i cant help them....old posts get brought to the top all the time......if its that big of a deal than people have bigger problems than can be helped with on here....
not a dead horse when he intends to keep using this site for his scams, nothing in his last two posts show he plans on stopping or leaving this site....the horse is alive and kicking and still interested in fugging over people here given the chance....
If you have an issue with it... or anyone else, learn to use the ignore feature....instead of coming on repeatedly and flogging the dead horse being made out of this...
Friends don't let friends buy schitt from douchebags like Safariman...
no its friends don't tell friends how to spend their money...
try that one out...
Friends don't let friends drink and drive...... Why? because that would be a very poor choice. And beacuse they care. It's a simple thread. Good Folk simply letting other good folk what a scumbag is up to. Informing. Looking out for others instead of sitting back and saying nothing watching good people get pphuccked by a a douchebag like SM...
Trueful from my side. I sent you a stock and cartridge trap to work on. Barrel blank as payment. You returned said blank. I had asked for stock and trap returned. You stated you would when you felt like it or some sort of verbage. You have not. You did not complete the work, nor have returned my prparty, , nor admitted to any damage(if any), nor compensated me for any loss.
There is no other story, or side to it. You have not returned my property. End of story....
Now. Your side as to why? ?? Ball is in your court, thief.
This thread has been many things, but focused is not one of them. I have not commented on the Safariman deal at all (and will not) but no doubt contributed to the mess by taking on one or two guys regarding what has been a side topic. If that has been a problem hijack - my apologies are offered. Now, done here. Have fun.
Trueful from my side. I sent you a stock and cartridge trap to work on. Barrel blank as payment. You returned said blank. I had asked for stock and trap returned. You stated you would when you felt like it or some sort of verbage. You have not. You did not complete the work, nor have returned my prparty, , nor admitted to any damage(if any), nor compensated me for any loss.
There is no other story, or side to it. You have not returned my property. End of story....
Now. Your side as to why? ?? Ball is in your court, thief.
Sitka, it's possible splatter is full of it,
but after what, 5 years?, you still have the property he demanded back....
feel free to share details, because at this point in time, you're looking pretty damn bad.
You forget one major detail. SD never admitted having committed the ultimate sin that he shot a bear in the butt.
Uhhh... Actually I have shot quite a few bears in the butt... Like way over a dozen. They had all been ventilated elsewhere previously though.
Did you leave it alive and crippled overnight? Did one of your friends have to find it and kill it for you? Did you have a friend with a big truck and 3 miles of cable extract it for you? Did you post an uber thread about it?
Trueful from my side. I sent you a stock and cartridge trap to work on. Barrel blank as payment. You returned said blank. I had asked for stock and trap returned. You stated you would when you felt like it or some sort of verbage. You have not. You did not complete the work, nor have returned my prparty, , nor admitted to any damage(if any), nor compensated me for any loss.
There is no other story, or side to it. You have not returned my property. End of story....
Now. Your side as to why? ?? Ball is in your court, thief.
Sitka, it's possible splatter is full of it,
but after what, 5 years?, you still have the property he demanded back....
feel free to share details, because at this point in time, you're looking pretty damn bad.
Trueful from my side. I sent you a stock and cartridge trap to work on. Barrel blank as payment. You returned said blank. I had asked for stock and trap returned. You stated you would when you felt like it or some sort of verbage. You have not. You did not complete the work, nor have returned my prparty, , nor admitted to any damage(if any), nor compensated me for any loss.
There is no other story, or side to it. You have not returned my property. End of story....
Now. Your side as to why? ?? Ball is in your court, thief.
Sitka, it's possible splatter is full of it,
but after what, 5 years?, you still have the property he demanded back....
feel free to share details, because at this point in time, you're looking pretty damn bad.
Keep trying... Why doesn't your buddy show you all the PMs?
Five minutes or five years or fifty years, one side is not telling the truth, at all...
You forget one major detail. SD never admitted having committed the ultimate sin that he shot a bear in the butt.
Uhhh... Actually I have shot quite a few bears in the butt... Like way over a dozen. They had all been ventilated elsewhere previously though.
Did you leave it alive and crippled overnight? Did one of your friends have to find it and kill it for you? Did you have a friend with a big truck and 3 miles of cable extract it for you? Did you post an uber thread about it?
Trueful from my side. I sent you a stock and cartridge trap to work on. Barrel blank as payment. You returned said blank. I had asked for stock and trap returned. You stated you would when you felt like it or some sort of verbage. You have not. You did not complete the work, nor have returned my prparty, , nor admitted to any damage(if any), nor compensated me for any loss.
There is no other story, or side to it. You have not returned my property. End of story....
Now. Your side as to why? ?? Ball is in your court, thief.
Sitka, it's possible splatter is full of it,
but after what, 5 years?, you still have the property he demanded back....
feel free to share details, because at this point in time, you're looking pretty damn bad.
Just seems to be that kind of day here.....
Yup, another internet warrior with less than half the facts making noise about something he is clueless about. Congrats.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Whatever Art. You've shown nothing in defense of your theft and deceit. Bottom line is Art, your a liar and a thief, and still has not returned my property. I still have the pm's, and they all were posted in public, so some searching can bring them current in the threads. I've nothing to hide, nor tell half truths about. You, on the other hand, have always said, that others have not all the info. only parts, or my side. So spill it and prove me wrong, or remain known as an untrustworthy, liar, and thief.
Facts, are facts, I've asked for my property to be returned, and to this day, you have not, so in my opinion, your a thief.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
Bullshit. The man is a con. Everything he posts is to further that cause. And if he's now dealing guns on here in violation of his chapter 7 terms, that sure as fug ain't looking for "friendship".
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
Bullshit. The man is a con. Everything he posts is to further that cause. And if he's now dealing guns on here in violation of his chapter 7 terms, that sure as fug ain't looking for "friendship".
I will add that I personally found it wincingly painful to hear some of you guys, who are good people, denigrating AA.
I haven't personally been on the receiving end of a SM dealing, not because he didn't try though. Perhaps if I'd been personally screwed, I might be a little more vengeful, I don't know for sure.
I just know the majority of guys here are better than those posts attacking SM's wife would make a casual observer believe.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
Bullshit. The man is a con. Everything he posts is to further that cause. And if he's now dealing guns on here in violation of his chapter 7 terms, that sure as fug ain't looking for "friendship".
I will add that I personally found it wincingly painful to hear some of you guys, who are good people, denigrating AA.
I haven't personally been on the receiving end of a SM dealing, not because he didn't try though. Perhaps if I'd been personally screwed, I might be a little more vengeful, I don't know for sure.
I just know the majority of guys here are better than those posts attacking SM's wife would make a casual observer believe.
Saddest thing to me is that his legal issues in Oregon were all posted here over two years ago, and nobody seemed to pay attention for more than a week or two, then he was right back to scamming again.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
Bullshit. The man is a con. Everything he posts is to further that cause. And if he's now dealing guns on here in violation of his chapter 7 terms, that sure as fug ain't looking for "friendship".
I will add that I personally found it wincingly painful to hear some of you guys, who are good people, denigrating AA.
I haven't personally been on the receiving end of a SM dealing, not because he didn't try though. Perhaps if I'd been personally screwed, I might be a little more vengeful, I don't know for sure.
I just know the majority of guys here are better than those posts attacking SM's wife would make a casual observer believe.
She's in it, up to her eyeballs.
Damn right she is, her knowing about it and allowing it to continue is enough for me to know her character, add in the fact that she covers for him and has been actively involved with trying to con certain members here once Marks credibility was in question.
Some here think it is honorable to not call a spade a spade because that spade happens to be a women. I guess they'll have to settle for being foolish and naïve.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
Bullshit. The man is a con. Everything he posts is to further that cause. And if he's now dealing guns on here in violation of his chapter 7 terms, that sure as fug ain't looking for "friendship".
I will add that I personally found it wincingly painful to hear some of you guys, who are good people, denigrating AA.
I haven't personally been on the receiving end of a SM dealing, not because he didn't try though. Perhaps if I'd been personally screwed, I might be a little more vengeful, I don't know for sure.
I just know the majority of guys here are better than those posts attacking SM's wife would make a casual observer believe.
She's in it, up to her eyeballs.
Not saying she isn't. Actually, in my experience with these type of deals, the spouse is usually in up to her or his eyes.
But making sexual innuendos about a woman based on not liking the person her husband is and assuming she is in it, crosses a line for me.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
I don't know Rob, reading that ruling did not come across to me like a mistake, that was a strongly worded attack on the character of the man.
IMHO a person who has the mentality to deceive and cheat once, then picks up the burden of living with that reputation and also takes on the burden of proving through his actions that he is remorseful and changed. Has there ever been an admission that he is ashamed of his past actions? Not saying the man owes anyone here on the Fire, jack, what I'm saying is that he has to make that choice, either convince people he is changed (if he is inclined to do so), or live with the ramifications of his reputation.
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
but this is far from the Campfire's Best Hour...
meanwhile your still posting chit like this:
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by DancesWithGuns
I'm waiting for......"TheRealSafariman."
That fake, dishonest Safariman has caused him a lot of trouble so we need to designate who the real.....honest, true and good one is.
Oh, that would be Rauncho Bozo...
why is it we are supposed to drop the chit on Mark when you cant do the same?
I didn't mention your name at all.. so what is it you feel like you are being singled out? Guilty Conscience?
besides, SafariMan is a big boy... he can defend himself if he so desire...
anyone who feels that he's been wronged, they can work it out on ther ow... but this on and on is pretty much the same as writing it on the bathroom wall as graffiti...
but to be honest, the only two guys I have issues over their bitching is Rauncho and You...
but don't let me rain on your parade...
and ya don't like what I have to say, then learn how to use the ignore button...
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
not guilty at all, as i told you in the damn pm, have a low tolerance for hypocritic bullchit.......the whole do as i say not as i do doesnt get very far with me......Mark phugged over people here and elsewhere and intends to keep phugging over people and unlike your buddy Rancho has been breaking the law here yet you say lay off, what a load of horsechit.....
and as far as Sherri, she is either retarded or she knows about and/or been apart of the scamming and having met the woman she isnt retarded.....especially the way she has worded her defense of him its obvious she knows what he has been doing and she flat out told me she was apart of quite a few of his gun dealings when i was around the two of them, it was one of their hobbies together....
you seem to forget a couple of those speaking out against him have actually met the man and its not just internet bullchit......
I had to fly down to Nashville last week. Being in the airport with the TSA nonsense always reminds me how much the muzzies have won. Coming back and seeing yet another SM thread reminds me how the posters have lost more than him.
So, I been thinkin’. I re-read the thread about the Mashburn in the classifieds. I admit it. I laughed. Some of you guys have killer wit. And I think I’ve read all of the threads about Mr. Claiborne’s alleged character flaws over the past year or two at least. Laughed at those too. Vividly recall the one about the Uberlanche. 'Nother side splitter, I admit.
That said, we’ve had our laughs. Is it not time to to call it good and be done with it? I think so. Don't mean to preach, but I think its just gone too far. First, it was way, way over the top to bring his wife into the discussion. Yes, he posted the glamour shot of her in the bathing suit. (Who wouldn't; she's a looker.) But that doesn’t justify some of the crude shots taken at her in the classified thread. A man’s wife is off limits. Plain and simple.
Second, conceding the guy has made mistakes, who among us hasn't? Some of us are kicking this man when he is down, way, way down and its just over the top. It isn’t funny anymore. It borders on cruel and abusive. The man suffers from a congenital kidney disease, was on dialysis, near death and required a transplant from a relative who stepped up to save his life and then had extreme difficulty post surgery. (Didn’t they have to re-open her?) Could not have been easy on the man who benefitted from her generosity to see her back under the knife because she chose to help him in his hour of need. And pre-surgery, from his posts, it looked like Mr. Claiborne himself was in physical agony. From what I hear, dialysis is hell. Sounds like the man was staring death in the face. Don’t imagine recovery has been easy either. On top of his severe health problems, he’s lost his license to sell insurance, lost his livelihood and has apparently filed a Chapter 7 BK.
No reason whatsoever to continue to put the boots to a man who is down on his luck that hard. It’s not right guys. It paints those of us who are laughing at his misery in a far more negative light than Mr. Claiborne. As far as the theft from the old folks, it appears society got their pound of flesh with the insurance license revocation. Its done with. The law has dealt with it. Its over.
The man is coming here posting, looking for friendship. Let him do so without being continually and unmercifully savaged for his past. I just don't think it becomes any man here to rhetorically beat the man or his wife into the ground under the circumstances of their lives as they currently are. Sorry to preach. I’m as guilty of mirth at Mr. Claiborne's expense as anyone. But at some point, enough is enough.
My .02 worth—and my apologies in advance to anyone who sees it differently. (And yes, I am a frigging hypocrit).
Jordan
Bullshit. The man is a con. Everything he posts is to further that cause. And if he's now dealing guns on here in violation of his chapter 7 terms, that sure as fug ain't looking for "friendship".
I will add that I personally found it wincingly painful to hear some of you guys, who are good people, denigrating AA.
I haven't personally been on the receiving end of a SM dealing, not because he didn't try though. Perhaps if I'd been personally screwed, I might be a little more vengeful, I don't know for sure.
I just know the majority of guys here are better than those posts attacking SM's wife would make a casual observer believe.
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
but this is far from the Campfire's Best Hour...
meanwhile your still posting chit like this:
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by DancesWithGuns
I'm waiting for......"TheRealSafariman."
That fake, dishonest Safariman has caused him a lot of trouble so we need to designate who the real.....honest, true and good one is.
Oh, that would be Rauncho Bozo...
why is it we are supposed to drop the chit on Mark when you cant do the same?
Don't worry it's OK for him to point fingers. Just not you.
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
but this is far from the Campfire's Best Hour...
meanwhile your still posting chit like this:
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by DancesWithGuns
I'm waiting for......"TheRealSafariman."
That fake, dishonest Safariman has caused him a lot of trouble so we need to designate who the real.....honest, true and good one is.
Oh, that would be Rauncho Bozo...
why is it we are supposed to drop the chit on Mark when you cant do the same?
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
but this is far from the Campfire's Best Hour...
meanwhile your still posting chit like this:
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by DancesWithGuns
I'm waiting for......"TheRealSafariman."
That fake, dishonest Safariman has caused him a lot of trouble so we need to designate who the real.....honest, true and good one is.
Oh, that would be Rauncho Bozo...
why is it we are supposed to drop the chit on Mark when you cant do the same?
What, Is this Church and that is suppose to make me feel guilty or something stupid like that?
you girls can bitch all ya want, about any subject ya want... but you're squawking the same crap over and over, like the volume makes it more intense and important...
And as I said, you have no room to talk about someone using people... I didn't even read your PM back to me... I just deleted it...
I'm not defending or condemning SafariMan... as I said, he's a big boy and can take care of himself.. his actions are between him, the Good Lord and those who have issues with any dealings they may have had with him...
If people feel spitted I can see their reason for anger, but how many times does it have to be complained about it? Some folks posting here, have legitimate complaints to voice, and have done so...a good example being 4Ager...
others like you and Rauncho Bozo are just here to agitate it on, to try to be the center of attention...
when there was a problem between him and Missouri Ed, I stood up and made an effort to make it right....I've met SafariMan Multiple times...haven't met Missouri Ed, but have via the forum, and he made a very nice contribution more than twice, on some of the campfire projects that have been done for Vets and Kids...
I had the opportunity, had a little extra money come in and just made it right for all involved...
My take on any bad business dealings, is the buyer has a certain amount of fault in any transaction also... they should do their own research and make sure things are on the up and up...and I am referring to those who are complaining about fire arm sales between them and SafariMan...
The situations between Mark and some Seniors, that was dealt with by the state of Oregon...
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
but this is far from the Campfire's Best Hour...
meanwhile your still posting chit like this:
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by DancesWithGuns
I'm waiting for......"TheRealSafariman."
That fake, dishonest Safariman has caused him a lot of trouble so we need to designate who the real.....honest, true and good one is.
Oh, that would be Rauncho Bozo...
why is it we are supposed to drop the chit on Mark when you cant do the same?
Don't worry it's OK for him to point fingers. Just not you.
awww Come On T...
Its okay for them to have an opinion to share....
but I'm not?
guess that is based on someone's view of the subject and what corresponds with theirs or not? Got it....I'll review that under advisement.
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
Some folks don't have any boundaries at all...because they think they are the really special ones, the exceptions in life...
kinda like Liberals...
or Rauncho Bozo....its like he always thinks his schitt doesn't stink... and is always taking everyone else's inventory.. and pointing out their faults, according to his perspective...
There are people that will follow a mob mentality, and those that agitate it...
I doubt if all of this is having any impact at all on SafariMan...and the reason's don't really matter...
But I have to admit... slandering Sherri... well it crosses a line I was raised with also Tarkio...
but hey, if it makes someone feel better, Sherri can chose to let it bother her or just put those folks on ignore also...
Paul Revere warned that the British were coming... that's pointing out danger to others.... but he rode to Concord with that message.... not all the way from Boston to the Florida Keys...
which is where this thread is heading....as far as it can be carried by those that feel the need to carry it...
I have friends on here that are pissed at Mark, so I figure its between them and he... not me....so they need to do what they have to do to come to peace with it...
but this is far from the Campfire's Best Hour...
meanwhile your still posting chit like this:
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by DancesWithGuns
I'm waiting for......"TheRealSafariman."
That fake, dishonest Safariman has caused him a lot of trouble so we need to designate who the real.....honest, true and good one is.
Oh, that would be Rauncho Bozo...
why is it we are supposed to drop the chit on Mark when you cant do the same?
What, Is this Church and that is suppose to make me feel guilty or something stupid like that?
you girls can bitch all ya want, about any subject ya want... but you're squawking the same crap over and over, like the volume makes it more intense and important...
And as I said, you have no room to talk about someone using people... I didn't even read your PM back to me... I just deleted it...
I'm not defending or condemning SafariMan... as I said, he's a big boy and can take care of himself.. his actions are between him, the Good Lord and those who have issues with any dealings they may have had with him...
If people feel spitted I can see their reason for anger, but how many times does it have to be complained about it? Some folks posting here, have legitimate complaints to voice, and have done so...a good example being 4Ager...
others like you and Rauncho Bozo are just here to agitate it on, to try to be the center of attention...
when there was a problem between him and Missouri Ed, I stood up and made an effort to make it right....I've met SafariMan Multiple times...haven't met Missouri Ed, but have via the forum, and he made a very nice contribution more than twice, on some of the campfire projects that have been done for Vets and Kids...
I had the opportunity, had a little extra money come in and just made it right for all involved...
My take on any bad business dealings, is the buyer has a certain amount of fault in any transaction also... they should do their own research and make sure things are on the up and up...and I am referring to those who are complaining about fire arm sales between them and SafariMan...
The situations between Mark and some Seniors, that was dealt with by the state of Oregon...
lets get the facts straight dumb arse, i didnt use anyone, i ASKED a friend if they would do something for me since they were going that direction anyway, that friend said yes, no problem so i didnt think a thing of it again.....if YOU felt you were taken advantage of as part of his favor to me you coulda spoke up most of a year ago when it happened and i woulda reimbursed you instead of bringing the chit up now all this time later FOR THE FIRST [bleep] TIME as a reason i shouldnt say chit to you about all the double standard bullchit......
I took the time to get your crap and took good care of it giving it a priority to keep it dry against bad weather, take it 1400 miles across the country.. spent $200 plus out of my pocket in fuel getting it there....
did you see me demand any reimbursement for that?
, telling people you were broke...but you were busy running around the globe....
so you just evidently assumed it was beamed to where it was, by The USS Enterprise...
did you ever even extend a thank you, much less made a "how do I owe ya for that?".... NOPE... If ya had, I'd probably have said don't worry about it, since you are fellow campfire member....
so my point, as you call ME the dumbasss, is that your stuff got guarded and transported from Pt Townsend WA to Quemado NM, and it didn't cost you a dime and you didn't even offer to contribute much less say even a Thank You.... but to criticize SafariMan for Using People... well, maybe he deserves it, but you definitely are being a friggin hypocrite calling the kettle black....
This after you lived off of Scott F's good graces for 6 weeks, and then just take off to Australia and leave all your junk behind to be taken care of...
yeah, saying anything about that, once you get hypocritical about someone else.... yeah it pisses me off...
Poor Biscuit. Every time he puts that cape on, it chokes him senseless.
Poor SLiM...
Every time he thinks I 'put on a cape', he manages to come up with something really stupid to say and really thinks it might bother me and hurt my feelings...
Gee SLiM... I'll try hard to care more the next time...
you do realize Scott and i had conversations bout all this and he never voiced a problem with it, just double checked my pm's and text messages from Scott during that time period and not w negative word....i did not live off Scott, i bought my own food, staid in my own tent not his cabins......
didnt think it magically happened and never claimed i was broke.....he was going to New Mexico and i asked if he could take it along since at that point i had a job lined up more or less in Arizona for fall that eventually fell through...
.and i didnt 'just take off for Australia' you do realize all this was planned for with Scott over a month before i got to his place? the whole point of being at his place was i was waiting on my passport to show up killing time, i left his place less than two weeks after it showed up AS WAS THE PLAN with him before i left Montana....every detail discussed and ok'ed with him but my extra stuff which he could have said no to and i would have given most of it away to him or his interns and shipped the important stuff back to Montana....
I drove to Portland to get Scott ( no problem) because he couldn't make it to my place, and bring all of your stuff...
so that was 500 miles round trip just to pick up your stuff..
then it took up a big part of my trailer...
then when we ran into Bad Weather, I stopped, your stuff got covered... and put in the front of the trailer, to keep out of the rain as much as possible..
my stuff sat in the back of the trailer and got soaked...
Scott's gear got the inside of my 4 Runner...to keep dry...
I don't have ANY issues with Scott.... and he didn't get your gear from Portland to New Mexico... I DID...
to help another forum member out.... but no thank you or anything else... then you complaining about anyone else the way you are agitating here.... sorry Charlie, but that doesn't fly with me...
ya wanna bury this... send $200 to ANY forum member as a present of your choosing and then I'm satisfied...and you're welcome...
for everyone else watching this was the bag of mine hauled to New Mexico along with A box of stuff....and at any point Scott coulda said it wasnt gonna work and left it for me to figure out...
Strictly as an FYI I wanted you all to know I lost my job today due to my being diagnosed with thumb cancer. Not a big deal and I know I'll be OK. What really has me feeling low is my dog stubbed his toe and will need a new liver.
My faith won't allow me to accept $200 so please don't offer it to me.
Murphy's' old lady had been pregnant for some time and now the time had come.
He brought her to the doctor and the doctor began to deliver the baby.
She had a little boy, and the doctor looked over at Murphy and said “Hey, Murph! You just had you a son”.
'Ain't dat grand.' Murphy got excited by this, but just then the doctor spoke up and said, 'Hold on! We ain't finished yet.'
The doctor then delivered a little girl. He said, 'Hey, Murph! You got you a daughter. She is a pretty lil ting, too.'
Murphy got kind of puzzled by this and then the doctor said, 'Hold on, we aint got done yet.'
The doctor then delivered another boy and said, 'Murph, you just had yourself another boy.'
Murphy said to the doctor, “Doc, what caused all of dem babies?”
The doctor said, 'You never know Murph, it was probably something that happened during conception.'
Murphy said, 'Ah yeah, during conception.'
When Murph and his wife went home with their three children, he sat down with his wife and said, 'Mama, you remember dat night that we ran out of Vaseline and we had to use dat dere 3-in-1 Oil.'
She said, 'Yeah, I remember dat night.'
Murph said, 'I'll tell you, it's a freaking' good ting we didn't use WD-40.
Strictly as an FYI I wanted you all to know I lost my job today due to my being diagnosed with thumb cancer. Not a big deal and I know I'll be OK. What really has me feeling low is my dog stubbed his toe and will need a new liver.
My faith won't allow me to accept $200 so please don't offer it to me.
Thanks, Dave
Ok, so you need a donor for a thumb transplant, and a check for $500.
Frank is 85 and lives in a Senior Citizens Home. Every night after dinner he goes to a secluded garden behind the home to sit and ponder his accomplishments and long life.
One evening, Mildred, age 82, wanders into the garden. They begin to chat and before they know it, several hours have passed. After a short lull in their conversation, Frank turns to Mildred and asks, "Do you know what I miss most of all?"
She asks, "What?"
"Sex," he replies.
Mildred exclaims, "Why you old toot. You couldn't get it up if I held a gun to your head!"
"I know," Frank says, "but it would be nice if a woman could just hold it for a while."
"Well, I can oblige with that," says Mildred, who unzips his trousers, removes his manhood and proceeds to hold it. Afterward, they agree to meet secretly each night in the garden where they would sit and talk and Mildred would hold Frank's thingie.
Then one night Frank didn't show up at their usual meeting place. Alarmed, Mildred decided to find him and make sure he is O.K. She walked around the Senior Citizen Home where she found him sitting by the pool with Ethel, another female resident, who was holding Frank's little Pal.
Furious, Mildred yelled, "You two-timing son-of-a-gun! What does Ethel have that I don't have?"
Old Frank smiled happily and replied, "Parkinson's."
Strictly as an FYI I wanted you all to know I lost my job today due to my being diagnosed with thumb cancer. Not a big deal and I know I'll be OK. What really has me feeling low is my dog stubbed his toe and will need a new liver.
My faith won't allow me to accept $200 so please don't offer it to me.
Thanks, Dave
$200 sent to a Gofundme page in your name.
FYI, the leading cause of thumb cancer is excessive exposure to one's own rectal area.
The only cow in a small town in Northern Italy stopped giving milk.
Then the town folk found they could buy a cow in Sicily quite cheaply.
So, they brought the cow over from Sicily.
It was absolutely wonderful. It produced lots of milk every day and everyone was happy.
They bought a bull to mate with the cow to get more cows, so they'd never have to worry about their milk supply again.
They put the bull in the pasture with the cow but whenever the bull tried to mount the cow, the cow would move away. No matter what approach the bull tried, the cow would move away from the bull, and he was never able to do the deed.
The people were very upset and decided to go to the Vet, who was very wise, tell him what was happening and ask his advice.
"Whenever the bull tries to mount our cow, she moves away. If he approaches from the back, she moves forward. When he approaches her from the front, she backs off. If he attempts it from the one side, she walks away to the other side."
The Vet rubbed his chin thoughtfully and pondered this before asking, "Did you by chance, buy this cow in Sicily?"
The people were dumbfounded, since no one had ever mentioned that they had brought the cow over from Sicily.
"You are truly a wise Vet," they said. "How did you know we got the cow from Sicily?
The Vet replied with a distant look in his eye: "My wife is from Sicily."
An old Italian man is dying. He calls his grandson to his bedside, Guido, I wan' you lissina me. I wan' you to take-a my chrome plated .38 revolver so you will always remember me."
"But grandpa, I really don't like guns.. How about you leave me your Rolex watch instead?"
"You lissina me, boy. Somma day you gonna be runna da business, you gonna have a beautiful wife, lotsa money, a big-a home and maybe a couple-a bambinos."
"Somma day you gonna come-a home and maybe finda you wife inna bed with anudder man. "Whatta you gonna do then? Pointa to you watch and say, 'time's up'?"
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Right? TFF
And 'flave has a growth on his thumb.
This post needs to be pinned to the top for newbies.
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Right? TFF
Wait now.
Can't keep up.
What happened on the road trip from New Mexico to Minnesota?
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Yup,,,, that's about it.
close Scott did got to NM, he and Seafire road together....this happened last summer and Monday was the first i had heard there was an issue with anything, Scott never told me there was at any point since it happened......cause there wasnt a problem until Seafire got unhappy with me and this was the only thing he could figure out to pull on me....
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Right? TFF
Dude, did you see the size of that bag???? SeaDick weren't pullin' no 40 footer.......
Frank is 85 and lives in a Senior Citizens Home. Every night after dinner he goes to a secluded garden behind the home to sit and ponder his accomplishments and long life.
One evening, Mildred, age 82, wanders into the garden. They begin to chat and before they know it, several hours have passed. After a short lull in their conversation, Frank turns to Mildred and asks, "Do you know what I miss most of all?"
She asks, "What?"
"Sex," he replies.
Mildred exclaims, "Why you old toot. You couldn't get it up if I held a gun to your head!"
"I know," Frank says, "but it would be nice if a woman could just hold it for a while."
"Well, I can oblige with that," says Mildred, who unzips his trousers, removes his manhood and proceeds to hold it. Afterward, they agree to meet secretly each night in the garden where they would sit and talk and Mildred would hold Frank's thingie.
Then one night Frank didn't show up at their usual meeting place. Alarmed, Mildred decided to find him and make sure he is O.K. She walked around the Senior Citizen Home where she found him sitting by the pool with Ethel, another female resident, who was holding Frank's little Pal.
Furious, Mildred yelled, "You two-timing son-of-a-gun! What does Ethel have that I don't have?"
Old Frank smiled happily and replied, "Parkinson's."
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Rattler stayed with ScottF then left for parts unknown, and left behind some stuff, then set it up so that ScottF would bring it down to NM, then ScottF couldn't make it so Seafire, drove to Portland to pick it up and hauled it down to NM. On the way there it rained and some of Seafires gear got wet and some of Rattlers gear got less wet because Seafire treated it special. Then when Seafire got to MN Rattler didn't say thank you enough or give Seafire $200, so no Rattler can't have an opinion about Safariman scamming old people and forum members for financial gain. Now Rattler has to gift a random forum member $200 so that he isn't a hypocrite at which point he will be able to once again express his opinion about the subject.
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Let's be honest, the only reason they have any supporters at all is that they claim to be Christian. Take that away, and they'd have been crucified here long ago.
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Like the parable of the snake, it's the nature of the beast.
In the course of working their nefarious schemes con men really couldn't care less about the trail of chaos, unhappiness, and distrust they always leave behind.
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Let's be honest, the only reason they have any supporters at all is that they claim to be Christian. Take that away, and they'd have been crucified here long ago.
Those type in the church are why I refused the suit and pulpit.
And the type to claim I'm no Christian... Which I agree... If that's a Christian, I'll stick with Christ and his example.
As soap operas go, I don't think this one will make it- There is some creative writing, and I like the absence of commercials, but the plot line is way too thin-
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Let's be honest, the only reason they have any supporters at all is that they claim to be Christian. Take that away, and they'd have been crucified here long ago.
Those type in the church are why I refused the suit and pulpit.
And the type to claim I'm no Christian... Which I agree... If that's a Christian, I'll stick with Christ and his example.
Kent
There are dishonest people everywhere, even Living in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Let's be honest, the only reason they have any supporters at all is that they claim to be Christian. Take that away, and they'd have been crucified here long ago.
Those type in the church are why I refused the suit and pulpit.
And the type to claim I'm no Christian... Which I agree... If that's a Christian, I'll stick with Christ and his example.
Kent
Kent, you turned down the suit and pulpit? In many ways you define what a christian is suppose to be.
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Let's be honest, the only reason they have any supporters at all is that they claim to be Christian. Take that away, and they'd have been crucified here long ago.
Been a rough couple of years for me with my Middle daughter not talking to me, again and at the same time the loss of career and health etc.
I got a call, though, from my youngest daughter who is currently the owner of a day spa in Sacramento that is finally doing pretty well. It is called "The spa above"
Well, as my youngest was recounting how God had led her to two difficult and life changing decisions, i.e. ending a relationship with a man and his kids that had been going strong for over two years and then the difficult decision to give up her salon to a friend - for free - and move back to Walla Walla I was blessed certainly that I get my baby girl back up here but what really got to me was her open spirit to God and his directions and leading! Sher recounted time after time of how God had spoken clearly to her through various methods but which direction was clear and took place either right after a time of prayer for her but twice even WHILE she was praying a text message or phone call came in that dealt directly with her prayers and requests and questions. In each case a call or text that was completely unexpected but which dealt directly with the direction of her prayer. How could I not shed tears of joy when my own daughter is exhibiting such spiritual maturity and wisdom but mostly God centeredness and faith......
Then came the best part.... My little girl recounted how blessed she felt to have been raised by Christian Parents who loved her enough to show her the way to live a Godly and God pleasing life. She went on to say - about the divorce - that "your rough spot in life and divorce does not and will not define your life" She is seemingly the only one of my three that see's me in the big picture and not purely though the colour of how I failed them by going though the divorce 8 plus years ago.
Yeah, hearing all of this from here made me tear up, and I am proud as can be of her and of my tears. Long time coming, I thought my friends here might like to hear of it.
I am NO theologian, or Clergyman by any stretch. I occasionally help put together a church service at local gun shows for the Vendors on some Sunday mornings, and preach a little, plus I (Very happily) sing in a Southern Gospel Quartet so these are just some thoughts from a reflective fellow layman.
I did use this firs example or thought in a sermon once.
If a young neihbor kid, maybe about 5 or 6, whom we barely know, comes to our door and gives us a piece of artwork that he or she has done for us, we will give a polite thank you, remark on its beauty, but it will then find its way quickly into the shredder or round file. HOWEVER, if our very OWN son or daughter 'makes' us a pretty picture, it goes right on the refridgerator door or a prominent wall! Why? What is the difference? Why is one 'offering' or gift accepted and loved, while the other of most likely equal talent is of so little value? Well, it is because the kid who gave us the second piece is OURS! This helps some understand why our works, before we accept Christs Lordship over us and become his very own adopted Children, by HIS choice and grace and unmerited love and favor are - as the Bible puts it- "As filthy rags" completely worthless and unable to get us one inch closer to God or to heaven and forgiveness. No, we have to first be as Jesus put it, BORN AGAIN spiritually. Then we are one if HIS children and our things done for him out of true love for him are then treasured and have value!
The other part of my thought on this topic came to me when I was discussing with my wife how much we love our little micro sized Wiener dog Milo. When he came to us, he could not even eat by himself, could not control his bowels or bladder at all, and could give us absolutely nothing of value to us. And at first I do not think he even had the capability to love us. All he was, was a wrinkly bundle of need, and he had special needs on top of normal puppy needs because he was born pre mature and a runt. He had to have artificial tears in his eyes several times a day at first, liquid puppy formula, and lots of attention with no reward back. But, Sherri and I DECIDED to Love him! Even now, he is hardheaded, stiff necked, and almost completely untrainable. Yet, we love him still, always.
If Sherri and I have the capacity to love that which does not DESERVE anything, and had nothing to give and still is mostly obstinant, how much MORE our great God, whose basic COMPONENT of his very BEING is Love, can love US! Even though we come to him with nothing of value or worth to him, and are most often obstinant and S L O W to learn and do better. Quite wonderful to think about, to my mind and heart.
Lastly, when God, by HIS choosing, and HIS mercy and HIS grace adopts us in as his own, he does a spiritual DNA change inside of us that is permanent. We become like him, just like my own Son as well as both of my daughters look and sound more and more like me each day. And ya know what? There is absolutely NOTHING that my son Daniel or my daughters Tabitha and Monica can do to change their DNA and bloodlines! They will see my face, every time they look in the mirror, forever. On top of that, there is NOTHING any of them could do or say that would make them unwelcome in my home, unworthy of my love and blessings and certainly nothing that could change the DNA strands or bloodliines that are my forever gift to them.
So, If my son Daniel cannot lose his place in my heart and home. And my daughters cannot lose my love and welcome and grreat desire to bless them and give them good gifts, (they cannot, By the way, totally impossible) How Much MORE is GODS love, and the spiritual DNA strands that he places in us when we are born into his kingdom and family BEYOND our ability to even COMPREHEND! Let alone make any kind of changes to. This change that is wrought by God and God alone is simply then beyond our ability then to nullify or make void just like - only infinately MORE so, just like our own children being unable to undue that in any real form.
Gods making of us into, his words, more like him every day. A "New Creature" and one of his very own! Such is too wonderful and amazing and unwarranted and undeserved.... I just thought I would make a laymans attempt at putting it out there and further encourage each of us to search our own hearts and relationships with the one true eternal, loving God.
So on at 3:27 today, wonder what happens now with the bankruptcy?
Saw an ad for Mark Clairborne insurance in walla walla. Must be one of the businesses.
Since when does a Canadian buttfawker get to post whatever he wants here?
Did the Hyena Pack Members take a vote and let this cornholer in? How does it feel..........like it do ya? I'm not surprised.
I would like to see the results of this backas$$word canuckfawk poll.
Americans only here........please.
Since when!! I believe Mr. Bin opened it up to the world more or less. Just like the economy is now on a world basis, so I guess SBH will just need to get use to it . Cheers NC now back on to ignore
Strictly as an FYI I wanted you all to know I lost my job today due to my being diagnosed with thumb cancer. Not a big deal and I know I'll be OK. What really has me feeling low is my dog stubbed his toe and will need a new liver.
My faith won't allow me to accept $200 so please don't offer it to me.
Real shame that SM and AA antics succeed in turning us against ourselves.
Let's be honest, the only reason they have any supporters at all is that they claim to be Christian. Take that away, and they'd have been crucified here long ago.
Been a rough couple of years for me with my Middle daughter not talking to me, again and at the same time the loss of career and health etc.
I got a call, though, from my youngest daughter who is currently the owner of a day spa in Sacramento that is finally doing pretty well. It is called "The spa above"
Well, as my youngest was recounting how God had led her to two difficult and life changing decisions, i.e. ending a relationship with a man and his kids that had been going strong for over two years and then the difficult decision to give up her salon to a friend - for free - and move back to Walla Walla I was blessed certainly that I get my baby girl back up here but what really got to me was her open spirit to God and his directions and leading! Sher recounted time after time of how God had spoken clearly to her through various methods but which direction was clear and took place either right after a time of prayer for her but twice even WHILE she was praying a text message or phone call came in that dealt directly with her prayers and requests and questions. In each case a call or text that was completely unexpected but which dealt directly with the direction of her prayer. How could I not shed tears of joy when my own daughter is exhibiting such spiritual maturity and wisdom but mostly God centeredness and faith......
Then came the best part.... My little girl recounted how blessed she felt to have been raised by Christian Parents who loved her enough to show her the way to live a Godly and God pleasing life. She went on to say - about the divorce - that "your rough spot in life and divorce does not and will not define your life" She is seemingly the only one of my three that see's me in the big picture and not purely though the colour of how I failed them by going though the divorce 8 plus years ago.
Yeah, hearing all of this from here made me tear up, and I am proud as can be of her and of my tears. Long time coming, I thought my friends here might like to hear of it.
I am NO theologian, or Clergyman by any stretch. I occasionally help put together a church service at local gun shows for the Vendors on some Sunday mornings, and preach a little, plus I (Very happily) sing in a Southern Gospel Quartet so these are just some thoughts from a reflective fellow layman.
I did use this firs example or thought in a sermon once.
If a young neihbor kid, maybe about 5 or 6, whom we barely know, comes to our door and gives us a piece of artwork that he or she has done for us, we will give a polite thank you, remark on its beauty, but it will then find its way quickly into the shredder or round file. HOWEVER, if our very OWN son or daughter 'makes' us a pretty picture, it goes right on the refridgerator door or a prominent wall! Why? What is the difference? Why is one 'offering' or gift accepted and loved, while the other of most likely equal talent is of so little value? Well, it is because the kid who gave us the second piece is OURS! This helps some understand why our works, before we accept Christs Lordship over us and become his very own adopted Children, by HIS choice and grace and unmerited love and favor are - as the Bible puts it- "As filthy rags" completely worthless and unable to get us one inch closer to God or to heaven and forgiveness. No, we have to first be as Jesus put it, BORN AGAIN spiritually. Then we are one if HIS children and our things done for him out of true love for him are then treasured and have value!
The other part of my thought on this topic came to me when I was discussing with my wife how much we love our little micro sized Wiener dog Milo. When he came to us, he could not even eat by himself, could not control his bowels or bladder at all, and could give us absolutely nothing of value to us. And at first I do not think he even had the capability to love us. All he was, was a wrinkly bundle of need, and he had special needs on top of normal puppy needs because he was born pre mature and a runt. He had to have artificial tears in his eyes several times a day at first, liquid puppy formula, and lots of attention with no reward back. But, Sherri and I DECIDED to Love him! Even now, he is hardheaded, stiff necked, and almost completely untrainable. Yet, we love him still, always.
If Sherri and I have the capacity to love that which does not DESERVE anything, and had nothing to give and still is mostly obstinant, how much MORE our great God, whose basic COMPONENT of his very BEING is Love, can love US! Even though we come to him with nothing of value or worth to him, and are most often obstinant and S L O W to learn and do better. Quite wonderful to think about, to my mind and heart.
Lastly, when God, by HIS choosing, and HIS mercy and HIS grace adopts us in as his own, he does a spiritual DNA change inside of us that is permanent. We become like him, just like my own Son as well as both of my daughters look and sound more and more like me each day. And ya know what? There is absolutely NOTHING that my son Daniel or my daughters Tabitha and Monica can do to change their DNA and bloodlines! They will see my face, every time they look in the mirror, forever. On top of that, there is NOTHING any of them could do or say that would make them unwelcome in my home, unworthy of my love and blessings and certainly nothing that could change the DNA strands or bloodliines that are my forever gift to them.
So, If my son Daniel cannot lose his place in my heart and home. And my daughters cannot lose my love and welcome and grreat desire to bless them and give them good gifts, (they cannot, By the way, totally impossible) How Much MORE is GODS love, and the spiritual DNA strands that he places in us when we are born into his kingdom and family BEYOND our ability to even COMPREHEND! Let alone make any kind of changes to. This change that is wrought by God and God alone is simply then beyond our ability then to nullify or make void just like - only infinately MORE so, just like our own children being unable to undue that in any real form.
Gods making of us into, his words, more like him every day. A "New Creature" and one of his very own! Such is too wonderful and amazing and unwarranted and undeserved.... I just thought I would make a laymans attempt at putting it out there and further encourage each of us to search our own hearts and relationships with the one true eternal, loving God.
Good night ya'll, and God bless.
MARK
The bible warns of false teachers and false theology.
Democratic National Committee???
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