Just FYI, I don't know exactly how long the 180 ELD is, not the exact twist requirements to stabilize them, but I do know that at 3500 feet elevation my 9" twist 7-08 and 9.5" twist 7WSM will stabilize the 195 Berger Hybrid, which should be a longer bullet and more difficult to stabilize than the 180 ELD. Obviously my 8" twist 7WSM has no problems with the 195, though my 9.5" twist 7-08 won't stabilize them. They keyhole at 100 meters from that particular barrel. I wonder if the 180 ELD will be enough shorter than the 195 Hybrid to stabilize in that 9.5" twist 7-08...