I have some inbound to try in my new 7 Sherman Short. Should be able to get em to +/- 2950 based on what I get out of the 180 Bergers. If they group I will stick with them for play and hunting as I have had problems with Bergers both not opening despite running a .04 drill but into each nose and have had a few absolutely grenade with 4+ " exits from my 280 ai and 7rm