Originally Posted by Calhoun
Thanks for the link, steve4102. So in summary, it really comes down to something somewhat similar to the thread a week or two ago.

But not totally.. in that case the police pulled the car over and talked to the occupants. It wasn't until the passenger become uncooperative that a frisk was made and the gun taken.

In this case no attempt was made to ascertain whether the clerk had a permit or not before the officer disarmed him. The clerk was working, so far less likely to be engaged in criminal activity than someone driving around in a car.

That difference could become very important if nationwide reciprocity is passed. It's going to fine that Illinois/New York/New Jersey has to recognize your concealed carry permits, but the cops are allowed to forcibly disarm you before even asking if you have a permit? I personally don't want to meet up with their finest and their methods of disarming suspects..


The issue is that carrying concealed without a permit is illegal in that state. The cop saw a concealed weapon; PC of a crime in progress, which permitted the stop.


Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.