Children, I did not start the thread as a place for you to fight.
I've had a 12 gauge, shot it w/7/8 oz handloads. It would break anything.
Recoil was not an issue, rotator cuffs are.
I have yet to find a clays suitable o/u with tubes from Browning or Beratta for <$1500
don't suggest a "machine" to me, I hate them.
If you want to fight, please take it elsewhere !
