Agreed - the factory glass is probably a placeholder at best.
For the Hawke - don't know on that one, but I think there was some positive feedback on it in one of the other crossbow threads.
I'm using the Redfield Revenge, they work for what I need and have be easy to adjust to different speeds on a couple of different crossbows.
I have not not had what I would consider good return on lighted reticles in most crossbow scopes, either too bright - washed out the picture, or too fragile to last more than a trip or two.
