Take my word for it. That 1885 with the traditional butt plate is a #%^*+ . Mine shot well, but the only thing I ever shot in .45-70 that was worse recoil wise, was a Ruger #3. Ouch!
Jack
"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero
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