Take my word for it. That 1885 with the traditional butt plate is a #%^*+ . Mine shot well, but the only thing I ever shot in .45-70 that was worse recoil wise, was a Ruger #3. Ouch!
Jack
Had both of those, briefly, so I can sympathize. Possibly the only thing worse I've experienced was an Ithaca Supersingle slug gun, apparently so named because it slugged the bejabbers out of anyone that shot it.
