Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by RufusG
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
The eventual settlement will be the Russians getting out of the Ukraine while they keep what has traditionally been theirs ,


Pretty sure the Russians haven't entered Ukraine, with the exception of the Crimea.

It’s Russians propping up the the rebellion in the eastern Ukraine and there are a significant number of out of uniform Russian special forces doing the heavy lifting. Back when Bathhouse Barry was president Putin felt emboldened to take part of the Ukraine under the excuse of protecting the greater ethnic Russian population in the eastern Ukraine.


You're leaving off the beginning of the story, wherein Vickie Nudelman and the CIA facilitated a coup to remove the democratically elected head of Ukraine (who was giving signals he might like Putin better than us) so they could install some neo-nazis who definitely liked us better than Putin. The Ukro-nazi shelling of innocent civilians in the east was meant to goad Putin into rolling his tanks, but he didn't take the bait. They weren't supposed to fight back? The nerve of them, preferring a President they elected over one imposed on them by the CIA. He just snagged what he wasn't willing to lose, and left us holding the bag of another broken, useless country for our (Billions?) investment.