Originally Posted by Barkoff

I’m not saying anything you have said here is wrong, however when we finally lose our 2nd Amendment Rights, you will bare part of the blame, for failing to do anything to address the problems of the day, rather choosing your absolutist stance on the 2nd. Nope, you are not wrong, but you fail to grasp where we are in the here and now.

Not just the Second, but the Fourth and Fifth, too. The Red Flag laws are a violation of all of the core guarantees within those three articles of the Bill of Rights.

Read Amendment IV. Unreasonable seizures by government actors are barred if they lack probable cause supported by oath or affirmation that a crime has been committed (including inchoate crimes like conspiracy or attempt evidenced by actual planning with intent to complete). Apart from that, seizures are outside of law, and therefore tyrannical by definition.

If someone is deemed to be a danger to themselves or others, the remedy is 1) temporary confinement with a court order for observation, followed by 2) a hearing with all due process intact, followed by 3) committal to an institution. Seizure of property is not one of the remedies permitted by our Constitution for insanity, and certainly not as a first step before due process protections are afforded.

The Fifth Amendment says your property cannot be taken without due process, i.e., first due process, then (if legally justified) a taking of property from the owner's possession.