I do totally understand the private land. I am willing to pay to play if that is where ALL the elk will be at that time of year. That is what im asking. Do i have a chance to find a mature bull on public in late nov if i work hard, or is that highly unlikely after a month of the orange army and the onset of winter even at these low altitudes?

I have or have access to all the gear, toys or critters or whatever needed to go on public, but if bulls are all on private its all useless. If i need to secure private, i would like to start that process.