I have one I bought off the board here. After extensive load development it puts 3 Scenars into a hole. I took it to one local factory gun match and, won with it. It's comical how guys have derangement syndrome over the cartridge though. To me it's a light cartridge with a modern case design. It's accurate, and there's alot of factory ammo, and plenty of quality brass available. It's got quite a following, but it ain't anything magical. Rather sloooow in my book, but I bet eastern whitetail won't notice.