Thanks for the suggestion for using 8mm dies. I was not clear in my post about which set of dies was giving which problem. My understanding is that C-H dies will not be vented. The problem with the lube surfaced using the RCBS dies. In one instance there was a longitudinal dent below the shoulder with the C-H dies. The trapped air makes sense. The suggestion for using less lube did come from C-H.. In the end it was possible to form cases with minimum loss. What a real killer is that RCBS no longer makes custom dies as in the old days. Right on the 6.5-06 level of loads in the Newton. If one wants a 6.5-06 build one. Cases for the 6.5-06 are much easily formed. Thanks again for the suggestion on the 8mm dies. My rifle is a built up 98 Mauser action using a 1:8 Bartlein barrel. My current project gun is an original Newton rifle. Cases for that rifle are a snap as it is a 30-06.