I've put 140k on our minivan in since I bought it from Mom in '09. I've never had chains on it but I do run studded snows on all 4. I have chains but just haven't had the need. The Blue Mtns in OR and Snoqualmie in WA can be pretty nasty sometimes but the car handles it nicely with the snow tires.


β€œIn a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell

It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.