Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by DBT
The bible is not very clear on what it teaches. There are verses that support eternal torment and there are verses that support death for the damned. Just as there are verses that support universal salvation and verses that support salvation only for the elect.



Only for the less than serious student. God is quite clear He hates the wicked. He is quite clear He says some people are His enemies.
He also says He wants all to come to repentance. The ball is in the person's court. God waits for our reaction.


The more serious student? Or someone who reads through the filter of their faith and so not recognising obvious logical contradictions and inconsistencies?

It is clear that it is the latter.