Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by ring3
Don’t remember Seaver and Ryan being rookies the same year. Thinking Seaver was the year before. Jerry Koosman was a rookie with Ryan I think.

Ryan’s longevity a dominance are amazing. Had he been it’s a decent team anytime in his career he would be more widely remembered. Lots of players have been similarly afflicted.

Look at Ryan’s stats and compare/contrast win/loss with ERA. Now think what the win/loss might have been if his teams had any semblance of offense. Prime of his career with the Angels and Astros. Pity. Same could be said of many other players through the years, Mathews, Banks, Kaline, etc..... .

Another amazing stat, Ryan stuckout 383 in 1973. Likely untouchable and everybit as incredible to me as Dimagio’s 56 game hit streak.

You're right. Ryan's debut was Sept 1966; Seaver's was 7 months later, both with the Mets. So it may have not been until '67. Jerry Koosman and Tug McGraw? were the other two.


Ryan and Koosman shared a rookie card back when they put two rookies on the same one. But from what I remember Ryan was officially a rookie in 1968. He was a late callup in 66 that didn’t get enough innings to lose his rookie designation and then spent 67 on military duty