Was digging threw some ammo cans last night and found 5 1/2 boxes of .458 500 gr. solids,the silver ones, don't remember where I got them, was thinking I could load them up and use them for pigs, in my 45-70 #1 or my 450 Howell, load them to 1100 to 1200 fps . so they don't recoil real hard, should be fun. Rio7