Used factory 130s for a 308 and those were definitely varmint bullets. Had one deer hit in the shoulder and it was so blood shot the leg pulled off when I tried to drag the deer. Shot several boxes of 120 Barnes X out of a 7RM and it was a laser. One year I made 36 successive one shot kills and almost all were the DRT type drops.

This season will try the 110 TTSX in a 270 WSM and have loaded some Lehigh 85s for a 25-06 at 3,600 fps. I suspect they will result in dead deer.

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