Thanks Pharm 😊 and Country 20! I went back to range. I'm a firm believer the gun hates Big Game and or the 140 AB. I managed to get max load of H414 and 140 AB at 2.830......030 off lands to shoot under 1/2 inch. I tried Big Game and 150 Eld X and it wanted to shoot but believe a different powder is preferred....picky guns. I slso had 2 decent groups with H4350 and 140 AB and had the bullet .005 off lands at 2.855. Unfortunately it made my firearm a single shot.....so I will move COAL to 2.830 in my hawkins mag box and hope it fits. I appreciate all the help guys.