Yeah boy they are good. I loaded some for elk and then tested them in a clay bank for expansion. They were surprisingly close to a Nosler Partition both in expansion and toughness. Some the core were loose in the jacket but they still stayed together. The 175 H is a favorite for hogs of all sizes. I have never had one fail to expand on even small deer. They work well but unless bone is hit they don't ruin a lot of meat. They are also stout enough the angle does not make much difference either, a good balance like the Partition.