Pete, You're not even slightly upsetting me. We just have a different opinion, possibly due to variables in play. One reason to participate in forums is to seek differing opinions, they should never surprise or insult.
I didn't mention this, but the worst failures (pancaking on a rib, deer and moose, three different examples) I've ever seen in .308" involved the 180 gr Hornady Spire Point that PintsofCraft (thread starter) considers an excellent bullet. Awhile back we had a similar thread and "good bullet" was the consensus on that Hornady. Just not my experience is all. Maybe a bad batch of bullets - maybe just bad luck.
