First, the 280 Rem, 180g Eld-M, R#17, Lapua 30/06 brass, 2700 fps on a bullet with .796 BC does not suck. Most forget that "On Target" velocity does count.

7 Mag, R#22, cci 250, 180g ELD-M at 2850 on a low end node Hammers hard.

There is another node at 3030 with R#26 with the 180g ELD-M that shoots tiny groups, and I am hoping that I do not see the bullets blow up in my 9T.

Remember, "On Target" velocity. I shot a hog at 460 yards, about 200 lbs. He jumped straight up like a bottle rocket and was dead as hell when his head hit the ground.

I throat the chamber for these 180g bullets, they shoot right out of the gate!