Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Paul expanded on Jesus' words that we're saved by faith and faith alone. Jesus gave salvation to the thief on the cross, a guy who had NO fruit. Works don't get you into heaven. They determine what your position in heaven will be. We're given very little info on how that will work. Just keep this in mind:
You're better off cleaning toilets in heaven than being in the highest position in hell.


Not quite. A misunderstood philosophy that the thief was saved when Jesus said “I will see you in paradise.”

Read 1Peter, this tell you that people are given the chance to redeem themselves after death, but it is not guaranteed…

1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

I guess we can disagree here. I think Jesus went to them and told them, "I told you so!"


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter