You're right LHS, I'm pretty set with powders I've used over the years I don't try or investigate alot of the newer ones on the market. Reading the info on Hodgens/IMR site it sounds like its a twin of Varget. Who knows, could be the same powder in different canisters. Alot of that has happened over the years, esp since Hodgon has taken over many of the different powder companies. Winchester 231 and Hodgen HP38 is one that comes to mind-same powder, different canister, few others I know of also.