Thank you for the snarky reply Bluefish but if you read (or understood) my post you would already have known otherwise. Our place has been for MY hunting for the past many years with few exceptions. The elk live with little contact with mankind and are born here like the past many generations. They were not put in for a hunt after being raised in a pen. Its actually a pretty nice setup for someone who wants their own wild elk hunting in the eastern USA and can afford it. I know of many places like you describe. This is not that.