Wayne, I've used the Plain Jane Speers a lot on deer... my favorite cup n' core bullet. They hold together and work. Biggest Whitetail I ever shot was with a 150 Speer FB at 2,700 from a .308. He went 240 lbs on the hoof. The bullet punched both shoulders and exited. He was piled up inside 20 feet. I used the 120 Speer quite a bit in the 250 Savage as well with great results.