I've killed 3 with my 250-3000 here in Maine. None over bait. 2 with plain 100 gr. Core-lokts and the other with a silvertip. Shots were 25-50 yards and none went far- 10-30 yards. These were unpressured bear in a woods environment. Killed 2 more with the 308. It did leave a bigger hole and a better blood trail.