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Can't agree with you on the effectiveness part.

I hit with a 28 ga is just the same as a hit with a 20 or even 12 ga. Same shot at the same velocity, just not as many of them, but if you look at a pattern, you're going to notice that there still aren't "holes" in it, and there will be enough pellets on target.

You say you can't even kill doves with it? Center them up in the pattern and watch them fold... smile

On the O/U part, now, I agree 100%! grin [/quote]

The main thing here is that the 28 ga does add a level of fun to shotgunning that is hard to explain. If you guys are happy, then that is what matters.

I did not say I could not hit with it. On the contrary, I've used my rugur o/u 28 with bismuth on pheasants in Kansas and ducks here in Louisiana. Shooting inside 35 yards is a key line someone mentioned.

I've never used it on quail, but I still stand with my experience on Texas doves. I used to sit the tanks on my ranch every day of the season.