There was an article in the local paper lately about a young hunter that died unexpectedly at the tender age of 93 or so. He had spent the last 80 years hunting and guiding in the Mission Mountains and in the Bob Marshall Wilderness. For a lot of those years, according to that article he used a 30/30 that was given to him when he was about 12. The fella that gave it to him had killed 30 grizzlies with that 30/30. The article didn't say, but I am assuming he actually shot the grizzlies and didn't beat them to death with ballistic minutiae.
Neither one of the poor bastids apparently had enough time to read what some guy from New Jersey thinks makes a good elk rifle! smile

Fred