Thanks for all the comments on the Vanguard youth rifles.

Right now I don't know where to find one to look at in person. Nothing shows up on Cabelas, Sportsmans Ware House or Impact Arms (all more or less local)money pits.

My DIL lives 500 miles away but they planning on visiting at the end of April and I was hoping to surprise her then.

Hmmm, I have a Mini-Mauser 223 with a shortened stock for grandkids and may have her shoot it first to see if it fits before I order a "sight unseen" youth Vanguard.

Thanks again for the feedback.

"It is wise, though, to remember above all else: rifle, caliber, scope, and even bullets notwithstanding, the most important feature of successful big game hunting is to put that bullet in the correct place, the first time!" John Jobson