yep, you are probably right Mark.

Hey, the 223 is better than an arrow, but, in all seriousness, are you going to buy your 16 year old boy his only deer rifle, in 223?

For elk hunting I mean? I mean come on, sure I could kill an elk with a 223, but I sure would not recommend it.

Once again, show up in elk camp, on a trophy bull elk hunt, and see how impressed your guide will probably be. Especially in rough terrain.