Selmer, I get it. When you hunt in MN and never see anything over 200lbs. Those 300# thick beauties are quite a sight dark antlers and all. The added problem of hunting in the swamp it is very brushy and of course wet. If you don't put them down in the open it is tough to find them. I think the 165 grn bonded bullet like an Accubond is what I will end up with at 2900 fps. OK Selmer I will let it go. Buckfever1