Varmint Guy: I have to add the 17 HM2 round along with the 17 HMR for spring prairie dog pup shooting .I consider myself over gunned using the 17 HMR for shots within 100 yards. I have gotten five boxes of 17 Hornet ammo, a 4-16X AO scope,and military sling,but still have to order Redding Neck& FL dies and some empty brass. Whenever I get a 17 Hornet rifle I ll have all I need to shot it. Come spring I plan on having the three rifles in my pickup. Over the years after reading about various new cartridges. I got them so I know what they will do. Theres some who have a lot of ideas but I doubt that they have tryed out only a few firearms and cartridges.